what's wrong with the RMX 160 demo ?

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When I asked 'why should I' I knew exactly what you was aiming at, i just wanted you to say it more explicite before reacting -if reacting at all.
So thanks for giving it to me :grin:

my concern here is not if Astroman is right or wrong in his judgement.
That's more your concern, I won't do the job for you, you're on your own here :grin:

My concern is the way of communicating (and not stirring the shit as you call it).
That's my choice, it's what I find interesting.
You do what you think is appropriate, shouldn't you?

To DAS folks:
there are develloppers and there are consumers.
To think that develloppers per definition know better than consumers is bare nonsense.
There are multi thousends of studio producers who are extremely skilled to judge reverbs without ever having written down one single code line.

If you think your plugs are good you better convince us why and give us comparing examples.

At least you - as a company (!) - shouldn't start insulting us Planetz members per number of posts and put yourself on a statue.

Those multi posts of a few helpfull members (not me, I don't really have so much to say except smilies and 'stirrings') are exactly why Planetz is so well respected on the net, it keeps the hundreds of members in da house, your potential plug-in buyers...remember?

cheers :smile:

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is this a new marcetingstrategy?
i use SWreverb only when to lacy to plug the HW but you awaik my interrest in this device wouldnt without this post even have looked at
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I think its just okay what astroman is saying.... He just expressed what he is thinking about the sound of this plug-in....

Feedback does include "positive" and "negative" both.

And if he is not convinced with the sound of the plug-in why not telling in public...

There is nothing wrong.

And yes I also think DAS should do some A/B between original unit and the Scope plug-in.

Its not good to label a plu-in an emulation of some hardwaretool that its not supposed to sound like...
So this reverb could also be called Scope Reverb 27BA66 or 960L ?

But at least I havent heard the demo at all. But will try that soon....


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ok, one last thing about this from my point of view:

I'd like to be shure that i don't buy a masterverb with a new GUI only, this is all what i care about...

this is why i really like to know the differences, advantages, disadvantages, range of use, and so on. So please DAS, point out these things!! You don't have to open us your circuit design for that, don't you?!

anyway, i bought it and will test it this weekend...

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I find the comment from astroman valid,not in the negetive or positive way,it's keep me wel informed,i also think that kind keep the planetz the QUALITY most often talk about !
astroman good job.
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I noticed no-one replied to this review of the SSL compressor clone:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... tart=80&92

I must sit on the fence, as I do not have the time to test these devices right now, as I'm in the middle of a house move. However, I do have access to an SSL bus compressor, so I'm going to try to test it out at some point.

I guess I'm not expecting these devices to light my fire (I already made a comment in another thread that cloning the GUIs invites comparisons and is a legal risk). I am into quality, not pretty GUIs to impress clients. Anyway I will reserve judgment until I have time to try them out.

What is sad to me is that there are a lot of great devices on Scope which get overlooked - Orbitone Impressor (this is a *proper* compressor) and De-Vice stuff to name a few, and now these devices get a lot of hype, IMHO because of the GUIs. People seem more into 'nice looking' or 'nicely branded' devices which means absolutely nothing. Seems like a case of the emperor's new clothes...
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I don't think so... speaking only for myself, when I'm using a device, I'm really not looking at the design and pretty colours anymore. If you can remember those old cartoons when a hungry cat looks at a bird in a cage and can see only a de-feathered, cooked and basted dish ready to eat...

The funky looking but painfully slow alpha-blending/shadows was the first thing I killed when I bought Scope way back. I use no funky skins in my Windows install. It's a dedicated machine for a purpose. That purpose is *not* to be an art gallery or whatever.

While a lot of Scope devices look really good, they are generally backed up with decent sound quality.

I think the developers should try and justify their product instead of dealing with criticism by attacking the critics, and implying that they have ulterior motives for their criticism.

Sorry but I've seen too many bullshit-peddlers over the years in this industry to simply believe some hyped up PR.
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On 2006-08-04 15:04, Shroomz wrote:
Eh hem, wait a minute!!

Do Creamware do 1 to 1 audio comparisons with the Minimoog, Pro-One, Odyssey, Prophet-5 or B3? I don't think so!! I'll tell you why too. They don't sound exactly like the original!!! It's virtually impossible, no matter how good the algos or patching as the case may be!!!
Of course they do compare. Thats where Creamware has excelent reputation..

Just look here
http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0404/404022wp.html

Minimoog and Pro-12 at least are very near to the originals and if you concider that also the originals do differ a little they are nearly equal....

Emulation is called emulation because it should at least "try" to capture the sound of someting classic or new...

So if someone is writing modeled after *trademark* ...., it is not wrong to think it should sound like the original...
And if it does not it is a bad emulation, maybe not a bad sounding plug-in, but just a bad emulation of the real thing....
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Bad luck Tom :grin:

(look at it as an invitation to concider upgrading card, SFP and computer; at least you know for sure that you can exclude weird configuration behaviour :smile:

It also shows that DAS' reaction wasn't really smart, to say the least.
Now they've spent big and inaccurat munition for nothing, and have left an unprofessional impression.

Ok, we can go on again spending useless time on too much posts on this beloved forum... :wink:

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yes.
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yes
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Post by bill3107 »

definitly yes ! we just want to know the features of the plug ins from developpers and the point of view of the users. ANd yes, we need to be sure the 160 reverb is not a matsreverb pro with a different GUI. When P100 from STW was launched, most of the points of view were positive. As for DAS, we need more information and more feedback before deciding the purchase.

And guys, we all know that good EQs for scope platform is a KEY axe of developpement as many users mix under scope....

Jonathan
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