DigitalAudioSoft M/S EQ doesn´t work correct...

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:49 am

edited

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:10 am

On 2006-05-20 06:05, darkrezin wrote:
SSL's own Duende plugins

now, i can understand you . excuse me,i doesn't know that duende plugins.
you are right.sl9000 and duende design are very similar.

thanks,maybe we have to make another design of course.in fact ,we have only made demo and not sold our plugins...

thanks

i'm going to edit my post about that

ev

_________________

http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com

[ This Message was edited by: digitalaudiosoft on 2006-05-20 07:13 ]

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:38 am

"return to school please"

I'm going to school again now.
Yes I'm music teacher and have to do a lot work this weekend. And you're right, EV there are many things I did not understand about MS.
I will try to understand and this will take some time.

Now after all tests I've done, I think for me alfonsos MS Slot is best device of the three:
BX, MSEQ, MS Slot, because it's free.

I'm still very interested in all those things concerning phaseproblems etc. and wondering if anybody could explain what dirk ment with "Somebody should get into the details of phase-problems that can occur with M/S mastering..." Is there anything implemented which eliminates phase problems better then using Plugins in both ways of MS Slot?

Has MSEQ any strategy to eliminate phase problems?

Martin

[ This Message was edited by: MCCYRANO on 2006-05-20 07:40 ]

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:03 am

And........ Tadaaaa ! I'm wrong. It's mono too on BX! I remembered wrong. Just checked it out and still seem to have demotime, if there are any questions left.

Martin

just a question martin ,are you working for dirk or brainworks ?
you spent a lot of time for them with your test

but,you don't understand that there is no phase problem on m/seq.
dirk as decided to make this commercial war because m/seq is a very good plugin.
for the 1000 X , plug m/seq correctly to make your test.
left to left in ,right to right in.
once again , our algorithm are very different.

ev

_________________

http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com

[ This Message was edited by: digitalaudiosoft on 2006-05-20 10:42 ]

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:57 am

AAAAHHHHH!
Two things:
1. My english seems to be too bad. Why do you ALWAYS understand me wrong and understand everything as an attack! I'm not attacking you! I'm just having fun with testing and comparing devices and LEARNING very much about MS technique.

2. You quote me wrong and that's not fair!!!
My last sentence in your quote was the last sentence of the message before! So please correct that.
(EDIT: Thanks for correcting. You can quote everything, but please not in the wrong context. Hope we come closer with every step in understanding each other.)

I asked if anybody could EXPLAIN me what dirk ment with phase correction. I'd like to realy know that, because if there's nothing special in MSEQ AND BX, i have a personal opinion....

If you'd like to hear my personal opinion (when there is nothing special with phase correction in the two commercial products):

1. Bx is highly overpriced because:
- it seems to use normal scope EQs
- so it is in my opinion not an emulation of the "analog" hardware (how it's stated on their webside) but the analog hardware (which seems to have been finished AFTER the plugin) is an emulation of the plug and I have that feeling (it is just a feeling) that the hardware sounds totally different OR it sounds the same and is digital inside (some scope computer)
- I have the impression that alfonsos device does the same stuff except some nice tools on bx that are not worth 600€.

2. MSEQ is (FOR ME, just for ME) overpriced too because
- there seems to be nothing special on it except the dyna EQ (which I like very much)

3. I don't think that any of that both products is (for ME, my opinion) much better than alfonsos MS slot (and I don't work for alfonso!!!)

Both seem to be easily to build with neutron_ms_encoder too.

BUT I'm not sure about that. I'd just like to know, because I always compare things to others before buying something.

I still REALLY REALLY hope, that there is something special in your MSEQ and in BX which makes the prices. When I'm able to hear that special thing I'm satisfied and then I think about buying one of these devices.

I'm just a consumer who likes to know what he buys.

thanks

Martin

P.S. Before buying dynatube I searched the net for samples, compared to PODII and PODXT and read much about other guitar amp simulations. I spent some days with that. After I was sure that dynatube is really cool and I need THAT plugin I bought it. Just a personal way to inform myself.

[ This Message was edited by: MCCYRANO on 2006-05-20 09:03 ]

[ This Message was edited by: MCCYRANO on 2006-05-20 12:19 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:30 am

On 2006-05-20 08:57, MCCYRANO wrote:
...I asked if anybody could EXPLAIN me what dirk ment with phase correction. I'd like to realy know that, because if there's nothing special in MSEQ AND BX, i have a personal opinion....

you're certainly not the only one who'd like to know, but I'm pretty sure that exactly this point is what Dirk considers their special knowledge...

but unless you have a properly adjusted listening room and monitors (sorry I didn't check if your setup is listed here) - don't even think of being able to hear anything relevant in this context.
That's why I can (for me) safely ignore all the techie stuff about the 2 plugs.
Dirk mentioned a few things that are crucial if you're in it for the money - and 600 Euro looks rather humble in relation to 20 times the amount for an acoustically corrected room.

cheers, Tom

don't worry Shroomz, you received the honor of being quoted just by funny circumstances: digging out some old, irrelevant stuff to make your point - leading directly to your very own observation that's identical to the one you just dissed me for. LOL

katano · Post by **katano** » Sat May 20, 2006 9:57 am

woooow, what's going on here?

I was out for just one and a half day and what happens in the meanwhile? what a discussion! i'd like to see more threads like this one, except the words of war of course...

I think we'll all learn something from this, and that's the most important, at least for me...

cheerz
roman

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:28 am

don't worry Shroomz, you received the honor of being quoted just by funny circumstances: digging out some old, irrelevant stuff to make your point - leading directly to your very own observation that's identical to the one you just dissed me for. LOL

Astro, please stop trying to bait my brother into yet another pointless debate. It's very iritating not just for him, but for me and most other folks on Z too. To be honest, I think this thread has enough conflict on it already. At least he is able to admit when he's wrong. So please, for everyone's sake can you two just give it a rest.

MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:43 am

Hi,

In order to remove the doubt from some minds, 1 possible test:

Enter a stereo pink noise (Got mine from Berhinger CD: our own way track 83)
insert the plug you want to test
then insert an analyser l(ike wave PAZ Analyser)

and you'll have your answer

cheers

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:51 am

MD69
just saw your private message. Sorry, but I never checked those before!!!!!
I will answer you.

EV
I've just seen you PMs too. I think we are on the way of better understanding!!

Martin

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:54 am

To give this thread some peace beside all that conflicts:

EV, I now understand what you ment with using dynaEQ as deesser. You were right and I were wrong again. 2:0 for you.
But all these are language problems I think. I thought the EQs movements were not frequency-controlled, but they are! Very nice!

Martin

MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Sat May 20, 2006 12:06 pm

Hi McCyrano

Thought you didn't received the files, I got a message from your isp that it didn't reached you!

the BBC report 38 is the initial paper. I have other if you're interested

cheers

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat May 20, 2006 12:39 pm

On 2006-05-20 12:28, sharc wrote:
Astro, please stop trying to bait my brother into yet another pointless debate. ...

there is no bait and there is no debate - it was an ironic answer regarding his suggestions what's appropriate for me and what's not - you can just leave it as it is. Your bro's tone towards other people is often much more direct...
'...this shit-stirring highly uncool petted lip bollocks that dirk has started here.

cheers, Tom

[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2006-05-20 13:55 ]

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat May 20, 2006 1:03 pm

edited

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat May 20, 2006 1:41 pm

yes - as I stand by something that I prefer not to publish.

but let's take the opportunity (as this is such a perfect example of only a couple of lines) to bring some light into this thread's dilemma

you claim the right that your tone is justified
Dirk claims the right to feel offended by a marketing move
Olive and EV claim to be taken serious for their product.

everyone's right and special and in the position of the good one - do I have to say george dubbleyou ?

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:16 pm

edited