3rd Party Suggestions 4 Solaris.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:49 am

I'm having a blast w/ Solaris's WAV Oscillators, creating some great movement w/ multiple Osc. combinations, and Multiple filters, especially using the comb on metallic type waveforms,i.e. Kyma. I get my Oberheim sound going then add these descending shimmers and such. But I believe that I'm ready to experiment further, and I have a chance to reach a wide variety of people, for being a new club, everyone packs the place for the first 6 months even if it sucks. This will not happen on my watch. That is why I need to have these signature sounds. I listen alot to the Discovery channel's Science, and Planets programs for extra ideas, and it has really helped. This is a synth designers dream to score for these shows. Mostly great graphics, and narrations which allow ample freedom to play what you hear in your head, being free from rythmic constraints. But I miss creating patches on modular systems like the ARP2600S, and Oberheim SEM. Solaris seems to be taking me back in time to 1976 only with polyphony this time, and extreme freedom of choice. That is where you guys come in handy. I am going to purchase Adern Flexor, but how does this compare to other 3rd party developers. I hope I have described my intentions thoroughly. So I wish to hear all rantings and suggestions. For that is inspiring to me when someone gets excited as I do about sound creation. Afterall, it is a reflection out of our heads.

Old Scopes Never Die,They Just Fade Away,

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:37 am

Thanks for the reply. I am interested in adding Adern, and other 3rd party stuff to Solaris. Is this sensible? Modular is an alternative to me, I want to integrate new Osc.'s and such into Solaris, making it my everything synth. I have become so familiar w/ the workflow. I prefer to spend my greater efforts in composition, and Solaris's workflow has allowed me to quickly build and assemble basic sounds I hear for further tweaking later. My sample library is almost complete with the exception of Scope to STS samples, which I must attend to shortly. But I can alter envelopes, and filters on the fly. It is the basic 3rd party OSC's that I am interested in for adding new timbres. Emu's of synths are no problem on Solaris with all the new filters available, i.e. the 6 pole Lowpass is a dead ringer for the Oberheim OBX sound. I'm am looking for OSC's and filters that add a whole new sound to Solaris other than just the WAV OSC's.

Strength And Honor,

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:41 am

trust me on this one jimmy, you dont get fatter modular filters than the flexors!

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:28 pm

This is the only forum where I trust the advice of regular contributors. I will start on my Flexor quest today.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:36 pm

I've barely scratched the surface of flexor's possibilities, what I can say is that the saw oscillators, the filters and the various tube emulations gave me sounds with some serious guts, and yet they fit well in my gentle musical universe. What I'm after in synthetized sounds is a unique character, something of a special flavour. Flexor gives me this. I really like to take samples from mod patches (and other sources of course) and load them in a sampler to tweak the envelopes and filter some more.

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dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:25 pm

Unique character is the word. That is why Solaris is my choice. Designed to grow. John Bowen is so far ahead of the game when it comes to design. I'm just getting to grips with this beast, and it goes to 4.0, then comes 4.1, WAV Osc.'s,Flexor.etc. It is the best synth for live work IMHO. I imagine that I will not ever have to buy another synth. But if I do, it will be from the Guru John Bowen. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I will look into BiOsc also. I feel like a child on a tour of Ghiradelli's choclate factory in San Francisco. Sheer happiness, and pleasure.

Peace,

Post by **irrelevance** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:19 am

I've been playing around with loading modular sequencers into the oscillator slots in Solaris with cool results

Most of the time I find myself reaching for Solaris and know most recently Biosc and then loading in what I need from there and not having to worry about overall design.
SpaceF's satellites are great! I'm having the most fun with the filter racks, some noise, resonance, fm oscillators and feedback; all of which can be stacked as deep as your DSP will allow

Flexor and SpaceF's osc/filters are a must!

Kymeia · Post by **Kymeia** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:12 am

As you know I've made a few patches with the Flexor Saw oscs and filters in Solaris (and recently also in Ambient RD) to good effect though they use a lot of DSP. They are a good combination. (but you will need to ask John Bowen about compatibility)

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dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:32 am

I have come to the realisation that the more DSP that's required, the better control and quality of sound I get. So looks like I'll be going to 3 x 15 DSP's in live box, and 3 x 6 DSP's for the Giga 2.54/Scope 3.0 studio box. BTW I did a check on the internet for PCI to PCIe adapters, looks like our cards will be good for a while to come. SBS external chassis for PCI-X, and PCI. However I would buy CWA 200 MHz SHARC cards in an instant. I will not be the last one standing when the music stops this time.

_________________
Jimmy V.

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djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:25 pm

in addition to solaris i use biosc osc and filters and flexor.
Biosc is an arsenal of non conventional filters and oscillators, with the unique chord racks that allows you to create chords with every type of oscillator, it works with rd compatible oscillators.
Flexor is great for the superior quality of its modules and you can use it from solaris, not just from the modular shell, but as rd inserts too.
A must have in my opinion.

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:35 pm

Jimmy,

As djmicron says, you can use Flexor modules directly in the RD slots. Once you purchase Flexor and get your key, let me know, and I can send you the special RD versions of the Flexor modules. (Please note, however, that you cannot use the Flexor envelopes in this way. There is a difference in the Gate signals.)

I agree that the Flexor filters are some of the best filters ever designed - you won't be disappointed!

Finally - SpaceF has created many wild and wonderful variations of RD-type modules, which I know you would also enjoy.

regards,
John b.

Post by **irrelevance** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:07 pm

What are these special RD versions of Flexor modules John? Am I missing out on something here I usually just put flexor stuff straight into the modular slots, is there another way?

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Mon May 01, 2006 12:30 am

me neither is aware of any special RD flexors. hook me on the list john

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:06 pm

the search function of this board isn't that bad...

from John in the Flexor announcement thread

On 2003-03-21 11:36, johnbowen wrote:
These modules are going to be just INCREDIBLE! What Assaf has done is just brilliant - every Modular owner will (should) want these, and I think the modules are so strong that it will cause many to buy a Modular system.

Just listen to the LP-8 Butter filter, or the Displacer...nothing short of fantastic!

I never thought to do what he has done - using the most basic Scope modules to build these 'from scratch'. My highest admiration and congratulations to Assaf!

John b.

not only that he writes great synth devices (as we all know...), but he also has a great heart to welcome collegues and find such encouraging words - you're truely addicted to sound John, aren't you ?

cheers, Tom

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:32 pm

Astro,
Good to see your name again. Pardon my ignorance but who is Assif? Should I try a search for that name on the Z? Please explain as I am about to experiment with new toys once again in my quest for sound.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Tue May 02, 2006 2:02 pm

Assaf is the Adern Flexor developer =D

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue May 02, 2006 2:02 pm

Assaf Dar is the dude who wrote Flexor. By the way if you want to check out what Flexor can do, there's an HTML manual online:

http://adern.com/manuals/flexor/introduction/toc.htm

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue May 02, 2006 2:07 pm

his member name is ReD_MuZe, the programming (master!)mind behind Flexor.
John is absolutely right in his statement about the Flexor sound - it IS unique, to a stunning degree - and as mentioned further up it's FAT, really FAT.
For example that guitar distortion module (in Flexor) is more beefy than most of the complete amp simulations in the native world...

cheers, Tom

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