We don't know how good we got it. I just upgraded my GS3 to a new revision and lost the ability to save VST FX, and some old Giga CD's from GS160 2.54 won't even load now.I am tired of this crap. Why do people release a good working product, and then " fix " it with an upgrade that just kills you? I will not play like that again. I couldn't have fun at all. I was too busy yelling at my LCD. When it crashes, Scope just smiles at it, and keeps on going. I'm going to just load samples and let Scope do the rest. I will never sway from Scope again by giving Giga more work w/ FX, and routing. GS3 is a sample player, and that is what I'm going to use it for from now on. Just the meat and potatoes only. Scope will do the meat and potatoes, plus gravy and fucking desert. Once again, the overbloating of code ( VST,NFX,...)breaks down under pressure, ( me too! ). I'm going to 45 DSP's and if at all possible, STS will take the place of GS3. We are just all spoiled by our tailor made DSP platform. Scope is the live performers dream box. As I keep learning more, and doing more gigs, I seem to keep wanting more DSP's, and buying more. So it must be working. It was just a year ago I had the hardware from hell rig, now I'm down to Echo Pro,Lexicon, and the SE1-x w/ chrome faceplate. Go figure.
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couldn't have said it better.On 2006-04-04 01:01, scope4live wrote:
...nd some old Giga CD's from GS160 2.54 won't even load now.I am tired of this crap. Why do people release a good working product, and then " fix " it with an upgrade that just kills you? ...
I would love just plain old Gigasampler, but as that got outfashioned rather quickly, I have to stick with Gigastudio (the thing that runs under 98), but haven't used it for a year at least...
I'm actually tempted to buy an Akai 612 because it's so simple - to be honest my favourite sampler-ui is still the Casio SK1
regarding disk streaming:
I don't think that people (from the audience) are aware of it in a live situation at all - or could tell the difference to... (may I be offensive) say strings from a Proteus 2 or a (well processed) 32 MB piano multisample
the superlong, realistic decays are a complete nonsense by itself, as they are 'realistic' only in the one single moment when the player hits the key exactly as it was sampled.
Which is about to happen once every 4 years
everything else is enveloped anyway
cheers, Tom
Hi Astro,
I second that, kind of a "brute" force approach. This race to the BIGGER sample library sound to me like an marketing justification for the manufacturer to deliver a product without optimizing it as it was the case before. And now look at the result: several of these company selling their "highly" praized library at 50 euro because most of the customers are limited to 1.5 Mb !!!
cheers
I second that, kind of a "brute" force approach. This race to the BIGGER sample library sound to me like an marketing justification for the manufacturer to deliver a product without optimizing it as it was the case before. And now look at the result: several of these company selling their "highly" praized library at 50 euro because most of the customers are limited to 1.5 Mb !!!
cheers
Thank You,
If your playing dynamically you can tell the difference out front, but I still want my shit to work. Thank God that Scope has an abundance of great FX. I'm just going to use Giga as a sample playback device. It has great MIDI control, and the sounds that I use now, the 24bit stuff, gives me a thrill. I doubt that I could ever go back to playing hardware samplers with all that RAM loading going on.My FX sound so much better to me anyway. Just had to swap a 15 DSP for a 6, now I can run much more FX, if I choose.
Scope Rules Live,
If your playing dynamically you can tell the difference out front, but I still want my shit to work. Thank God that Scope has an abundance of great FX. I'm just going to use Giga as a sample playback device. It has great MIDI control, and the sounds that I use now, the 24bit stuff, gives me a thrill. I doubt that I could ever go back to playing hardware samplers with all that RAM loading going on.My FX sound so much better to me anyway. Just had to swap a 15 DSP for a 6, now I can run much more FX, if I choose.
Scope Rules Live,
I agree, and am hoping that I can use lite versions by deleting 14 of the 16 layers on bigger instruments, so I can check out STS 5000. About that RAM drive by Gigabyte, I could store my samples on there during a gig, and it would have load times much faster than the the HDD Raptors don't you think? 4 Gigs worth of samples stored on RAM drive, and load them thru MIDI when needed. I think that we had this discussion last summer when I was in pre-production for the tour. That was why I was asking about the STS and the RAM drive capabilities, for I was unsure of the stability of a RAID cage full of HDD's. Turns out that it is the app, not the HDD's. But I am still thinking that the load times would be lightning fast compared to Raptors.
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yes, I remember that card...
first of all don't associate it in your mind with chip ram - as that will be misleading
they use the same chips, but the data is transferred by SATA cable to the mobo's disk controller and from there to memory
if you load Windows from such a card it will be significantly faster (loading and checking a million files at boot time...)
on the other hand reading a huge bank of samples lets the disk work more or less continuously, which by itself reduces delays related to the disk mechanic.
good you mention it again, as I forgot about it entirely (or is it out of business already ?)
I will order a couple of them tomorrow as it would be enough to boot the OS and load our core database in the office.
cheers, tom
first of all don't associate it in your mind with chip ram - as that will be misleading
they use the same chips, but the data is transferred by SATA cable to the mobo's disk controller and from there to memory
if you load Windows from such a card it will be significantly faster (loading and checking a million files at boot time...)
on the other hand reading a huge bank of samples lets the disk work more or less continuously, which by itself reduces delays related to the disk mechanic.
good you mention it again, as I forgot about it entirely (or is it out of business already ?)
I will order a couple of them tomorrow as it would be enough to boot the OS and load our core database in the office.
cheers, tom
They are cheap. Also check out Sonatec Rocket Booster, from which the idea stemmed. BTW. Dynatube was meant to be. I was using the excellant Nomad Factory Blue Tubes on my stuff which made it so much more authentic to my ears, like the Wurlitzer,Gibson 101 Combo Organ,D6,RMI,etc. CWA picked the perfect time to release this product, right after my GS3 worthless upgrade, I can't use Blue Tubes for a while, with Dynatube I'll never use it again, and Giga will be Giga like before, stable, no fuckin' VST bullshit.
hi Jimmy,
my retailer didn't have the card listed, probably for good reasons...
I did some searching and found it NEVER actually worked as announced.
One could format it and do some benchmarks but the memory turned out to be very unreliable for 'real world' applications - data loss included, in particular with 3 or 4 Dimms installed.
forget about it
yet I had a few nice side results
a German company makes a similiar product, obviously targeted to the professional market and obviously built to order (only) - delivery time currently 6 weeks.
Accepts up to 16 GB DRAM, but of the error-correcting, registered version as found in servers.
A hell of expensive though - the empty board from 700 to 1200 Euro PLUS memory
I just mention it for completeness...
More interesting is a 'manage several Windows installations without reboot' type of product called HyperOS.
If I remember right Grok has brought it to notice here a couple of years ago.
Looks like it has seriously evolved since then.
Could be THE application to escape a 'live' failure, but of course the question remains how ONE card reacts if switched between multiple OS installations ?
check <a href=http://www.hyperossystems.co.uk/>their UK site</a> is for specs
cheers, tom
my retailer didn't have the card listed, probably for good reasons...
I did some searching and found it NEVER actually worked as announced.
One could format it and do some benchmarks but the memory turned out to be very unreliable for 'real world' applications - data loss included, in particular with 3 or 4 Dimms installed.
forget about it
yet I had a few nice side results
a German company makes a similiar product, obviously targeted to the professional market and obviously built to order (only) - delivery time currently 6 weeks.
Accepts up to 16 GB DRAM, but of the error-correcting, registered version as found in servers.
A hell of expensive though - the empty board from 700 to 1200 Euro PLUS memory
I just mention it for completeness...
More interesting is a 'manage several Windows installations without reboot' type of product called HyperOS.
If I remember right Grok has brought it to notice here a couple of years ago.
Looks like it has seriously evolved since then.
Could be THE application to escape a 'live' failure, but of course the question remains how ONE card reacts if switched between multiple OS installations ?
check <a href=http://www.hyperossystems.co.uk/>their UK site</a> is for specs
cheers, tom
Thank You Tom Astro>
Was it the Sonatek product, or the Gigabyte product which was faulty, or both.
BTW I use ECC in both boxes that I have. My old studio box w/ the DPs, and Giga 160 2.54 has never crashed yet!! I'm hoping TASCAM fixes this bull shit early release product of mine, just cause I paid for it. Works great w/o the bells and whistles, but damn it, I wish I could release faulty products and make money, just like cell phones. Mine crashes all the time.
Strength And Honor,
Was it the Sonatek product, or the Gigabyte product which was faulty, or both.
BTW I use ECC in both boxes that I have. My old studio box w/ the DPs, and Giga 160 2.54 has never crashed yet!! I'm hoping TASCAM fixes this bull shit early release product of mine, just cause I paid for it. Works great w/o the bells and whistles, but damn it, I wish I could release faulty products and make money, just like cell phones. Mine crashes all the time.
Strength And Honor,