End of the Line for SFP

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:38 am

In General what really pisses me off is mindless paranoia and rumours from people who don't know their arse from their own operating system and then to validate their own inexperience, they buy the latest toy.
Oh and by the way that was me when I'm annnoyed.
And for the dynatube If you compare the pro 53 to the pro 12,obviously no comparison and then native guitar rig to dynatube,personally I can't wait

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:29 am

craighuddy wrote:
Just wrote Creamware tech support about a lethal Dual CPU driver bug and the reply was that Creamware is not compatible with dual CPU's and that CW is not updating SFP in the future.

The good news is it is very stable on a single CPU machine

When Scope was developed, single CPU machines were 'de riguer'. Strangely, I still use one myself. No, make that two...

Not sure how this will affect the dual core technology .

Not in the slightest - they are completely unrelated issues.

There is a simple workaround for my issue BTW, but thought you all deserved to hear my response right from CW that SFP future is bleak at best. Too bad....

What would have been more useful to hear perhaps would be what your work-around is.

Why does not supporting dual CPU or hyperthreaded machines make Scope's future bleak? My development machine at work is a single-CPU machine, does this mean my company's future is bleak? The Linux server which I am helping to reconfigure for a customer is only a single-CPU machine. Does this mean that our customer's future is bleak?

Eventually, yes changes in computer hardware will require Creamware to change their DSP cards, but the current Scope cards still have a lot of life in them yet.

I personally think it makes sense to wait until a consistent new PC architecture is in the marketplace before making any such changes, things are very much in a state of flux at the moment, changes to the main buss and bridge sets (PCI-X, PCI-E and the like), changes to CPUs (dual-core, hyperthreading, Intels for Macs etc.) Things have a way to go yet before they settle down.

The current ATX form-factor, single-CPU, PCI bus configuration has been about for a while now and has been pretty stable and consistent which is why the current set of Scope cards are still very valid. Most PCs out there still have this configuration.

Royston

Post by **garyb** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:43 am

Royston-
i'm sure the original post was well intentioned, but i jumped on it because the problem is caused by opening scope, then opening sonar, THEN changing the scope project(open saved project). this causes sonar to be unstable(unsurprisingly!). the "workaround" is to close sonar BEFORE changing the scope project. as you know, the "workaround" is the best way to do things anyway. non-issue.

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ehasting · Post by **ehasting** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:36 am

end of line?? hey.. then i can get even cheaper second hand scope cards!! hooray!!

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:46 am

That's exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah like it's the end of the line,man there's no future(snigger snigger wink wink)it's completely outdated(chuckle chuckle,hoping to buy a 14 dsp powerpulsar for 200 bucks)

dubcotics · Post by **dubcotics** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:02 am

End of the Line for SFP
since its the end of the line, we wont be able to make music no more, when s the dead-line for every board,

cheers,
ps: A friend of mine still s got his DSP factory working,

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:43 am

Craighuddy, could you please post the email Creamware has sent to you ?
I would like to read by myself as I'm very interested in dual/quad core technology and multiple cpus solutions.
To anyone who knows the answer, are the current drivers compatible with dual core in SFP AND XTC mode ?
I've been asked this question a few time from Nuendo forum members and would like to have a definite answer.
TIA.

Post by **garyb** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:32 pm

On 2006-03-31 07:43, Bifop wrote:
To anyone who knows the answer, are the current drivers compatible with dual core in SFP AND XTC mode ?

yes. see AndreD's posts.
as with rme and other cards, you should avoid nforce4 mobos....

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:38 pm

Great news ! Thanks Gary.

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:26 am

Basically for dual core (and higher) it works like this:

Scope has been COMPLETELY working on under multi-cpu systems since version 3.1c (the only exception are 1-2 3rd party devices from previous to this). I know this from personal experience. Any multi cpu machine that Scope did NOT work on was due to the chipset (typical PCI overflows etc) and NOT due to having multiple cpu's. This is why early AMD MP & MPX users gave up and went to different motherboards for Scope and yet my dual xeon box worked just fine for years (same with my older dual p3's).

To your OS and apps dual cores appear as no different than any dual & multi-cpu machine. Dual core systems do have minor differences in the way that cache mapping is dealt with compared to single core multi cpu machines (and AMD and Intel differ in general in this respect as well) but this is largely transparent to software. Basically if a given dual core system isn't working with Scope cards its a CHIPSET issue again, so keep up with the Tech section here on planetz while info comes in on different systems.

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:29 am

Thanks for the very detailled explanation Valis. It looks much clearer now.
So the Scope platform is pretty much future proof finally...

I had read many bad testimonies here that gave me the impression it was a no go...and in the meantime, my comp upgrade money went into a second hand camping-car...

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:51 am

On 2006-04-01 06:27, stardust wrote:
that could be a very future proof and inspiring investment too

I bet it will !
Travelling has always been an inspiring environment for me.

A laptop, a small keyboard controller and a firewire soundcard will anyway be part of the basic camping-car equipement (along snorkelling gear, bicycles and Asimov books...).
Happiness can definately be a pleasing and worthy feeling...