Transferring of VDAT to Alesis HD24

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:33 am

It's time for me to embarass myself with a couple of questions about this excellant sounding recording app of ours.
I had our key-tech record from FOH board last year into VDAT of a live performance using only 16 tracks. I was impressed by the summing quality of the app compared to the usual DA apps everyone else uses. I noticed a big difference. It sounded like our 8 track 2 inch Otari we used for years for rehersals and such. My problem is that I do not communicate w/ management at this time. I have spent the last year making presets for my sounds and know very little about this app. Seems like you could sync this up w/ a hardware sequencer, and record right into Scope, maybe using a good mic pre., then be able to process w/ FX and then transfer it to another syncable hardware unit such as the HD24. That way I could still use my DSPs for my synths live w/ no drain from VDAT, and still use my hardware sequencer for syncing all the backing vocals. Don't get me wrong guys, I'm still playing my parts, but I have the best players around and we wish to do some challenging music, but our vocals pale in comparison to our chops. This would make the job more fun to play instead of struggling for parts we could record prior to the gig.Plus I could incorporate alot of quality to the tracks, since these jobs provide FOH engineers who never catch our cues for FX and such.
Is this possible, and could someone give me a breif scenario on the way I would achieve this endeavor. Afterall, this isn't Northern Sounds forum is it.

Sincerely Expanding,

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Jimmy V.

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Post by **garyb** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:28 am

vdat is pretty light...
how syncable it is, that might be another thing. sts might be better suited...

i think vdat files are just .wav files. i think you can import them the the hd24 as long as they're 16 or 24bit. at any rate, you could play them from vdat into the a16 and onto the hd24 at worst.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:30 am

On 2006-02-28 02:28, garyb wrote:
vdat is pretty light...
how syncable it is, that might be another thing. sts might be better suited...

i think vdat files are just .wav files. i think you can import them the the hd24 as long as they're 16 or 24bit. at any rate, you could play them from vdat into the a16 and onto the hd24 at worst.

They are wav files, and also already left justified, so there is no problem at all to import them in a software that allows the same bitrate they were recorded.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:09 am

Thank You Gents,
I appreciate your input. On the topic of STS, aren't there memory issues w/ the amount of sampling time allowed? I really would just like to use VDAT, and all Scope if possible, for I haven't purchased the HD24 yet, plus the sound of VDAT is so warm, and clear, could I just record files on VDAT and save them to my HDD for Project recalls? Also wondering if VDAT can be synced w/ my hardware sequencers? This would be a true all in one box approach that I'm looking for, w/o having to use overbloated sequencer apps.

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alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:05 pm

For all the VDAT users this is a really great tool:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=16&16

together with a samplerate precision metronome hooked to Vdat you can also send a ramp to a modular to sequence FleXor sequencer modules...

Recording on VDAT is really cool now with some beat to record along...

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:27 pm

Alfonso,
I got lost when you went to modular, but is this a way to sync an external hardware sequencer as well? If so then I believe I should be able to record through the Crane mic-pre into sp/dif to VDAT, and all this would be started by a small push on my Roland? That would be the best tip of the day for me bro'. I imagine that I will be recording into Pro Tools again this fall. Seems like every producer I work with won't even hear other ideas. I want to use my hardware sequencer w/ VDAT live, and hopefully save some money in pre-production this fall also. Tell me it's so. BTW are you the guy who made the Unison module for Scope. If so, that was used on the DP box I bought. The snob who built it really thought it was a great idea for thickening up monophonic sources. I sure liked it, but haven't figured out how to transfer it from the DP box, to the 3 card live rig I'm using.

Aprecciate Your Input,

Jimmy V.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:47 pm

i b-leive you can sync start/stop in vdat thru midi. the easy way to sync an external sequencer to vdat is to stripe a track with timecode. that should be pretty foolproof...

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:24 pm

You can controll hardware ADATs with the VCR-128 and a sync-plate.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:51 pm

Thank You Kind Sirs,
I find that the more I dig for truth, the cheaper it's gonna be. If I could do this trick you speak of GaryB, it is just like the old ADATs when they first came out in the early 90s. I did a bunch of my first Pro Tools work then. We had a problem w/ the BRC syncing up but the old Mac sure did good. We thought our 1GB HDDs ( in external rectangular ugly beige housing )were so HHUUUUGGEEE back then. Hell the JVC CD burner took over 1 1/2 hours to burn a disc. I seem to relish in the past w/ much enjoyment, so I am gonna try the old striping technique. Guess I'm gonna need another xternal HDD due to the fact that the 865 only has two SATA connectors. You think the USB ports will be fast enough for the chore? I like the size of the external USB drives over my raptors. Yeah I liked the sound of VDAT so much in that 32bit integer form I would prefer to keep it that way. Think I'm gonna have me some fun. I've got a great sounding Tube/Solid State Crane mic-pre w/ digital and analog I/O's.We will record into VDAT, then add FX to the tracks, and sync it all up w/MC-500MkII. It is so nice to go back to something familiar for once. I've been doing GS3/Scope for about 9 months now, loving every painstaking moment of it. I could even sneak in the old Oberheims sometimes too, so they don't feel so neglected in my humble little studio here. Will look forward to using PlanetZ to upload temp.audio files for auditioning purposes.

Hold The Line,

Jimmy V.

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