So where are we then?

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:47 pm

Could anybody from Creamware please tell us where we are concerning the Scope Platform/Linux environment as it's a subject which I myself find particularly interesting.

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:52 pm

There are threads for this already, and wsippel is the main agent leading development for the linux effort.

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:28 am

I'd be really surprised to see any official word on this, hence pointing him at other resources here.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:33 am

asking cwa to respond here is like going over to Siegburg and shouting at the top of your lungs. even if they hear you out there in the street, they're liable to think you're crazy and so they probably won't answer......

assuming gen3 cards and osx support, then linux is likely to follow. linux for audio is still a very small group of a very small group(people making music on a computer who are willing to pay for an expensive, high-end soundcard).......

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:19 am

That is correct,I was asking for an explicit response,either from a Creamware Platform developer or Creamware itself. Speculation was not my intention.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:08 am

In all fairness to CW, why would they "let the cat out of the bag" here in a public forum?

The industry is cut throat enough without giving the competition the upper hand by giving out development secrets.

Patience my kitties!

R

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:06 pm

I agree with nprime on that,but I do feel that this is THE Creamware forum and everybody here I imagine could be trusted with such vital information as "we're in the middle","we're just about finished",or, "ooh it's a bit hard at the moment" and any other sort of developmental trivia.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:40 pm

They will never answer your question, here or on tellie

I don't think Ralf will be bothered when I quote him from my last december email contact with him (allkeys stuff).
I asked to tell the CWA crew my deep concerns about OSX support (just that).
He said:
Regarding the OSX support, there is the will at creameare to support our products in the future for this OS.
But when ??? I don't know, sorry.

I was already rather happy with that line...

And this on CWA site at least makes me dreaming:

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2006-01-05 17:41 ]

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:28 am

Oh I just thought as well,Creamware would look pretty stupid if some other developer made a platform for scope cards running under Linux.After all we're only talking about programming 3 Dsps on a soundcard at minimum,if it can be done with a Soundblaster(c)!.In general,Linux Coders/Developers are known to be particularly imaginative.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:06 am

if they were that imaginative they could have done it with ANY of Motorola's or Analog's prototyping kits long, long time ago

the (original) Access Virus is a direct offspring of such a kit btw - these boxes are pretty powerful... in the right hands

but that's what the so called OS community obviously lacks - creativity and the will to start something new on their own - no matter of risk and costs.

they can copy any design, they (probably) can disassemble and reverse engineer any code, but honestly - tell me about one product (original and sophisticated to at least a degree) that was developed under Linux in the first place.

I do not not suggest the Linux 'disciples' are untalented and have no idea about programming - at least in wsippels case the opposite IS true (he knows a ton of things I have no idea about) - just google his name and ask yourself if he MIGHT be able at all to find some time for SFP related stuff...

it's true that I often have a sarcastic tone when it comes to these 'community projects', but it's based on the observation above (at least imho) and not intended to offend someone personally.

these people are good in programming (no question), but obviously that's not enough to succeed with a product.
you need a certain spirit (to drive the project) that a more or less anonymous group can never develope.

my 2 cents, Tom

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:37 am

On 2006-01-08 03:59, stardust wrote:
...the algorithms we all love are intellectual property
the copy protection is obviously not crackable
...

well, the base of these algorithms isn't even CWA's property imho.
the basic Sharc math lib is almost certainly an Analog Devices' product - CWA built up their system upon this, and there may be even another layer that's a licensed product in between.

conditions may have changed since then - for example (I did NOT verify this) Analog might couple the licenses of their current product to the use of their developement system - which would mean you need (say) VisualDSP to have the right to deploy systems

you can bet that the protection IS vulnerable with enough details about HOW the system operates - it would most likely be circumvented completely (my guess), and that's why they make such a secret about it. It's only uncrackable in it's current state, but that's nothing than a personal guess

cheers, Tom

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:08 pm

I'm not interested in them porting the current Scope line to Linux or OS X. I'd rather they developed a new system with PCI-Express and the latest SHARC chips and start with that on all three platforms.

Shayne

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:59 pm

PCI-x ain't gonna happen in the near future(too many contingencies). Ali told me so on the phone

valis · Post by **valis** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:01 pm

Check the recent SoundOnSound issue with the Virus Ti Polar on the cover. Inside is an interview with representatives from several audio manufacturers, and pretty much all of them say PCIe is anywhere from a few years off to as much as 5 years off for audio.

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:35 am

Oh I've got a good one,you may have noticed that it states quite clearly on my all three Luna 2 Boxes,"THE LAST AUDIO CARD YOU'LL EVER NEED!",and then after that it says in really small letters on the bottom left hand side of the box,"provided you keep the same crappy computer !"

[ This Message was edited by: H-Rave on 2006-01-09 09:38 ]

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:08 am

current computers that run luna very well are not that crappy. why does everyone always have buy something new fever? if a pipe wrench works well, does the plumber still need a new one?
.....consumers.....

btw-pcix will amost certainly NOT happen, since just the first issue of the g5 really has that format(what a burn to the people who ran right out and bought a g5! it's obvious how much respect apple has for their customers, good job cwa for not falling for that one!). pci-e is still a possibility...

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-01-09 10:11 ]

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:15 am

My 7 year-old cards work perfectly in my 3 year-old computer.

Crappy is not the machine but the person using it, no matter how new the machine is.

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:26 pm

Actually Creamware could put Backing Music on their website.I can just hear it,"Hello darkness my old friend,I've come to talk with you again..........",The sound of Silence!!!

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:35 pm

Actually,of course I'd be disappointed if Creamware did change over to pi-x pci-e or whatever,because anything other than my Luna 2s I don't need.It would of course be for Cubase,Nuendo and NI or the likes and AMD,Intel ASUS etc.Then Creamware would have to follow.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:38 pm

Luna2 working fine here on 6-months old Athlon 64 setup. Better than ever in fact, thanks to the mongo freak PCI performance.