SFP and AMD X2 ?

Vasfed · Post by **Vasfed** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:09 am

in onecpu-mode dualcore cpu will perform worse than fastest single core...

MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:05 pm

Hi Shayne,

I agree with you that buying a dual core for using it in single core is a waste of money... particularly when you know the price of a 4800;-)

The fact is that AMD CPU with SSE2 perform "slower" than INTEL as 128 bits SSE2 instruction are clocked half speed so globally I don't think an FX57 is better than my 3.2 PIV (cannot find specific tests on this!) and I don't expect too much from the next FX 6200 M2 Core.

I must say say that when I use battery and halion, I have only 48 voices available for the halion before my system begin to reach 100%. 32% of my CPU is used for managing my XTC devices (CD100 use about 4.6%, P100 about 4%, MasterVerb about 2.4% etc...).

I bought a Gigabyte mainboard for upgrading but stopped when I read Shayne problems. Then I asked ralf for a PC config they might have validated at creamware in order to see if it is interesting for me, but I didn't got any reply.

I think that if I don't find a solution soon, I'll continue to go back to hardware and buy a used Z8.

Cheers

Michel

Post by **garyb** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:33 pm

On 2005-12-28 08:51, Shayne White wrote:
MD, you're probably best off with the fastest single-core chip you can find, which is still a VERY fast system. OR you can buy the dual-core chip, and if it doesn't work, install the 3.1b drivers (which don't crash) and insert the /onecpu option into boot.ini.

or use 2 computers, one for the sampler. when you see what the fastest machines cost, two computers is not that crazy.

MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:54 pm

Hi Garyb,

I am not sure that a PC can compare to a used Z8 for price/reliability/volume/NOISES.
Speaking of price, mean that you have to add display, sound card, hard disk, RAM, graphic card ....
Reliability is more on hardware side: less bugs and no clumsy licensing...
Noise: No FAN!!!
Volume is critical for me too...

64 voices is enought for me and my samples fit in 512mb.

That's also why I eagerly seek a more powerful CPU. If I find a solution, all my needs are fulfilled in one integrated solution operated as a "workstation" (kind of flexible Korg OASYS). But I don't have too much hope!!!

Cheers

Post by **garyb** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:26 pm

sure! use an external sampler....

bronYaur · Post by **bronYaur** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:38 pm

for the noise i have pc without case,power suply silent and 2 big fan on scope's and other no noise fan's,much silent ,45 DSP in to case much hot!
my pc don't go out my hose

see photo here:

http://digiland.libero.it/zoompa.php?fo ... %253F%2527

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:19 pm

Just saw this over at the Cakewalk forum: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=667956

Multiprocessing hotfix for WinXP. Haven't installed it yet, but it looks interesting!

Shayne

ScofieldKid · Post by **ScofieldKid** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:09 pm

Shayne,

I posted a link to an Anandtech forum discussion of this all on Page 3 of this thread earlier. In any case, that Hotfix didn't help me at all.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:49 am

Just installed it and it didn't help me either. Back to single-core for me.

Wayne DuCharme · Post by **Wayne DuCharme** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:56 am

After much nashing of teath due to my misyake in using a via chipset (Asus A8V)-
I found all the raves for the Asus A8V on the cubase and Nuendo forums. I wanted to build an X2 system with a lot of horse power AMD 4400 for mix tracking and mix down. Lots of native plugs.
I had as many of you know "many problems".
Lock up - blue screen - no scope driver would load - hard to get scope to install.

Here is the solution I put in an MSI K8N NEO2 F board - Problems solved. Scope installed all is working well I will be testing the system but it should do fine for my application. I do not know for sure about you heavy multi card users but so far I am very impressed with the simple approach to the Bios and the board already had 1A version and recognized the dual core so no flash as of yet. 1B is the next step if necessary. This board and Bios made the setup much easier than the last few Asus boards I have chosen. I will look to MSI for the next system I build.

Thanks for the helpfull information on this forum.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:42 pm

None of my apps are multithreaded.So I use single core CPUs. I use MC500-MkII, and Yamaha QX-1 for sequencing anything I need recorded, including vocals being triggered from Digital boards. I do enough pre-production, so that I can afford to go to a nice mastering facility for final mixdowns. I literally save thousands this way. Hyde Street in San Francisco has an awesome B booth with incredibly low rates on your choice of consels also. Plus I love the City and enjoy going to Scomas on the wharf when I record there.
That being said, a friend of mine who I met there has shown me this incredibly fast and cool and quiet box he had with a Pentium M inside it. He also uses CWA Scope Pros. w/ GS3. He uses PSP audioware VST plugs w/ Gigapulse. I thought yeah its quieter than mine but so what? He managed to get 30-40% more audio power in his M780, than my OC'd Northwood P4 3.4GHz!! Sure I was jealous but my box works fine so no problem. But now he tells me of the Yonah CPU thats available to some of us now. It's been re-fitted as 2 M's, w/ SSE 3, and a faster 800MHz F.S.B. So at 2.2GHz this dog will hunt!! It is capable of splitting the logical CPUs workload over 2 cores any way you want it. He claims that Nuendo and Scope will work fine on log.CPU#0, w/ GS3,Gigapulse, and VST FX on log.CPU#1. I will quit using external sequencers and finally get one of these after I see his box of course. But he claims that VST programmers will be able to do better emulations now with the extra resources. So the hell will these dual core two CPUs glued together, or AMDs excellant gaming dualie. Yonah seems like the future of audio to me. Wonder if the fanless Zalmann case w/ Yonah doing audio will be quiet enough? With external drives and converters, this is now feasible for me.

Happy New Year,

Vasfed · Post by **Vasfed** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:51 pm

Cubase and Nuendo 3.x are optimized for multiprocessing
turning on second processor really gives a performance boost

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:16 pm

I didn't expect any reviews until after CES 1/06 USA. Check out Yonah review at Anandtech.com, this is more of a gamers site, but shows some audio benchmarks that at least show that the SSE 3 instruction set is working, which usually means all of our apps. run well on SSE 2.
I will be at the show. From what I understand, Cakewalk will be there to show off 64 bit apps. w/ Joey DeFrancesco. By the way did I mention that Yonah is also 64 bit?
I hope that gives it a longer upgrade path.

_________________
Jimmy V.

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Vasfed · Post by **Vasfed** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:19 am

in fact all modern intel processors are 64 bit, but in this mode in comparison to AMD ones - they are too slow and buggy, so intel does not advertise about it, only very small label on
the box - "supports 64-bit computing"

remember HT - it was (and is) present in all petimums-4, but enabled only in top-ones

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:48 am

HT is a marketing gimmick or a public confession of a lack of skill

if you cannot exploit a single CPU core, then either your architecture or it's compiler or both s*ck

for anything else there's multiprocessing

just my personal opinion - I don't want to hijack the thread (and will not answer)

cheers, Tom

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