USB MIDI?

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:07 am

Does Scope recognise a USB MIDI connection?

If so, how? And where does it show up in the routing window?

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firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:10 am

pulsar midi i/o shouldn't work. but sequencer midi i/o is there. it should work. can you test?
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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:10 am

No, you have to use a 3rd-party MIDI router, such as a MIDI sequencer, or MIDI Translator, or something like that. You'd route the input of the USB MIDI device to the Sequencer Source in Scope.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:12 am

I'm thinking of buying a new controller keyboard that connects via USB, I just want to make sure that it is usable with Scope. It's no good if I can't play the synths!

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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:14 am

Hi Shayne.

I'm using Sonar 4PE, so I would see the MIDI come in thru Sonar?

...would this introduce any additional delay?

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firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:15 am

whats wrong with pulsar midi port?

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:17 am

On 2005-08-04 10:10, Shayne White wrote:

You'd route the input of the USB MIDI device to the Sequencer Source in Scope.

???

How would that direct MIDI to the Scope synths?

Sequencer source becomes my MIDI source, is that what you are saying?

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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:17 am

On 2005-08-04 10:15, firubbi wrote:
whats wrong with pulsar midi port?

The keyboard does not have a MIDI out, just USB.

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:18 am

You can indeed have the MIDI going into Sonar and route it into SFP from there using the Seq MIDI source/dest modules.

As Firubbi said, any reason why you can't use the Pulsar MIDI ports? Most USB controllers also have MIDI out.

USB MIDI totally blows in comparison to PCI.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:22 am

Seq MIDI source/dest works in exactly the same way that you'd use to simply play an SFP synth from Sonar. You would use Seq MIDI source in SFP for the MIDI output *from* Sonar.

How the MIDI gets *into* Sonar depends if you're using Pulsar MIDI ports (use Seq MIDI dest in SFP) or another MIDI port such as USB. You just set the input to the track in Sonar to whatever MIDI port, the output will still be going out to SFP via the Seq MIDI Source.

Might seem confusing but if you sit down and work out what's going on with the routing, it makes total sense.

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firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:27 am

USB MIDI totally blows in comparison to PCI.

also you may check interrupt request table of your motherboard for shared irq.
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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:43 am

Upon further investigation the keyboard does indeed have a MIDI out.

Still the recommendation is to hook up using USB for some reason.

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:51 am

Here's the wording that has me confused form the CME website:

"The CME UF Series may be connected to a PC or Macintosh computer via the supplied USB cable. This provides a MIDI connection to software sequencers and virtual instruments meaning a seperate MIDI interface will not be required. A MIDI out port will appear in your sequencer allowing the CME's MIDI Out socket to act as a 16 channel MIDI interface for any hardware synthesizers or MIDI sound modules you may have."

Makes it sound like the MIDI ports only function is a as router.

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:18 am

nprime - They probably recommend it because it's an all-in-one solution... there's less support factors if there are no 3rd-party MIDI interfaces involved.

The MIDI out on many of these USB keyboards can indeed function as a MIDI interface output when it is being used over USB.

Firubbi - got no IRQ problems here... I've A/B tested USB and PCI MIDI interfaces and when it comes to timing accuracy, there is no contest, PCI wins easily. Not only this, but I've found certain USB keyboard drivers (Evolution) to cause instability and bluescreens (yay!).

Personally what I do is connect the USB, let Windoze install the built-in USB Audio device driver, then disable it in Device Manager (alternative is to connect it to a disabled USB port - these still seem to deliver power). Then I connect the MIDI out to Pulsar MIDI ports. So you get the keyboard powered by the computer (one less wall-wart to deal with) and great MIDI timing

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firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:33 am

On 2005-08-04 11:18, darkrezin wrote:
So you get the keyboard powered by the computer (one less wall-wart to deal with) and great MIDI timing

this is sweet. so i don't have to use usb port but get the power form usb

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:04 am

I never connect Scope's MIDI I/Os directly to the synths -- I always route EVERYTHING through Sonar. Some synths, such as MiniMax, actually work better that way!

Kymeia · Post by **Kymeia** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:48 am

On 2005-08-05 09:04, Shayne White wrote:
I never connect Scope's MIDI I/Os directly to the synths -- I always route EVERYTHING through Sonar. Some synths, such as MiniMax, actually work better that way!

How come?