killer bass and kicks!! oh my ears...

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:58 pm

This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Brazilian Techno <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers,Pulsar Synths copyright © 2001 Sambaland _____________________________________ ouch ouch.. my ears are killing me. I had a short break from work so I did a quick piece to cheer me up.
Brazilian (not my speciality) techno (not my speciality)... put them together and it sounds great.
Hummel bluesynth 60% yeeouch!
Mod2 bass drums 40% yeeeouch
poison
inferno
ezsynth
The usual faces.
By the way, this is my first XP+nuendo combo. no VST effects tho, pulsar's good enough for me.

Play it loud! Kill everyone in your block! Kill yourself! ENJOY.
actually, some people might call this house... but to me, the sound is techno. You decide.

Shcould have used some cymbals... lazy me.

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kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:00 am

A little note about the chords..
The song is based entirely on augmented chords... (I migh be wrong about the terminology)
try
bass(root) on C
top notes on
B flat
D
E
G

The rest is just parallel movement. I love this chord!!An alternative place for the bass would be root minus 6 semitones, which would be G flat. (which puts the chord out of C key)
Or, you could leave the bass and have the top notes go up 6 semitones. (which also puts the chord in a different key)
The cool thing is, using this simple structure, you can build almost any D-T-S-D (dominant, tonic, subdominant, dominant) progression by either moving the bass down, or the top notes up. Talk about efficiency.. And you can change keys anytime you want if you choose so. Neat little trick ain't it?

If you don't care much about the logic behind it, use this instant-deploy trick:
Those who like to work in C minor (or E flat, classically), when the bass goes C-A flat-B flat-and then back to C, when the bass is on the B flat, have the top notes play B, E flat, F, B flat(stretch them fingers!).. and drop the bass down to G, instead of using B-flat.(sounds mucky if you go B-flat) That'll lead you back into C minor with style. (the subdominant) An alternative would be to have the bass play D flat(keep the top notes), and then you have the option to go back to either a C minor or C major. (or add in your 9ths and 6ths if you like) Pretty jazzy though.

And since there are only two modes to this chord, (bass up, or bass down) you can sample it and just transpose it to build progressions. How polyphony friendly.

Anyway, just to share with you all a little something I figured out. (err, it's in the "books" I'd suppose) It's so damn hard "writing" this out with words.. wished I had a little graphic of a keyboard to explain this with.

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:28 am

I can't say I hear the augmented chord you talk about Ken. It's just another repeating chord progression. Nice and happy tune though. I, personally, would change the bass drum sound.
Keep makin' music!
Paul

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:50 am

the kick's a little out of date perhaps.. hehe.
No augmented chords? I think I might be calling it wrong then... what ARE these things called anyway??

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 6:06 am

If you're talking about the chord stabs around 1:23, they are 13th chords. Listen to Weather Report's Heavy Weather album, you'll get a lot of examples of the use of those types of harmonies.( Punk Jazz on the Mr.Gone album is another good one!)
After a few hearings this tune gets better all the time!(But I still don't like the bass drum sound)

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kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 6:20 am

haha.. Just for fun.. what would you do to it? (perhaps I'm dropping down too fast?)

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 6:23 am

Ok, just for fun, I`d use one of those very bassy techno bass drums, the ones that sound put through a low-pass filter, not too boomy not too stabby.
By the way, I hate techno dance music but some of the sounds that are used in techno are really GREAT!

rhythmaster · Post by **rhythmaster** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:28 pm

Nice grooving tune! The bassline is really rough enough to jam on the disco-dancefloor

. Very well done.

ontik · Post by **ontik** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:05 pm

I love farty Basses (Check Plump DJ's) although they can be real hard to fit other sounds with so i reckon you've done real well getting acidic trickle over the top. A very interesting blend cos it is definitely older style techno and you have fitted the brazilian perc line and made it stick.

I would love to here how this goes with a break or two step beat rather than a four on the floor.

Personally I like cut, sampled vocal kind of hooks with phatty sounds but thats just me. (It can be cheesy (but not too much) cos It makes the floor 'fun')

If you want to stay with the standard four perhaps a more jackhammer approache IE Patrick Lindsay or Green Velvet sort of thing. Would have it really Jammin'.

Overall its really well developed. Keep it up.

PS What IS your specialty???

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:54 pm

On 2001-11-15 20:05, ontik wrote:
I love farty Basses (Check Plump DJ's) although they can be real hard to fit other sounds with so i reckon you've done real well getting acidic trickle over the top. A very interesting blend cos it is definitely older style techno and you have fitted the brazilian perc line and made it stick.

The blend was fun to figure out. Not too gritty but not to melodic. I only jotted down the progressions that popped into mind so I would use this as a basic idea for future compositions probably.

If you want to stay with the standard four perhaps a more jackhammer approache IE Patrick Lindsay or Green Velvet sort of thing. Would have it really Jammin'.

cool, maybe I should check out some modern techno/trance people. I don't know any..

PS What IS your specialty???

It's funk and breakbeats...

Thanx for all your great comments. I still need to find some more time to compose a full blown song. Just wished I could.

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:38 am

is this again a case of "IE can, netscape can't because of the blanks"?
you want some big techno names? try out:
jeff mills (well, maybe too obvious, but you can't leave him out)
ritchie hawtin/plasticman (don't tell me you don't know this guy)
surgeon (crazy stuff)
dj rush (bad mothaf**ker)
the advent
joey beltram (jb3's forklift is phenomenal imho)
mike dread (not just techno, check 'virtual farmer' as well, it's wicked 'idm'

)
j. denham
...
i could go on for ages, and it's just name dropping. making music that YOU like is by far the most important thing, but since you ask...
for the once interested, my flat mate (well flat, it's more like a hangar/little warehouse) throws a techno party tomorrow night

ontik · Post by **ontik** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:59 pm

Do you think this track is industrial enough for the stylings of Jeff Mills, Beltram, Hawtin?

I'm not questioning you judgement on this I just thought there was a certain funkyness in this that was more akin to Pat Lindsay than Jeff Mills. But thats just how I heard it and I guess I kinda like that style too so therefore I'm more inclined to imagine a version that has that kind of feel too it.

Maybe we should get the audio parts and do a remix each. One hard tek and one funk tek??

PEACE, ontiK

borg · Post by **borg** » Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:14 am

well, i wasn't able to listen to ken's song
(i use netscape and the blanks seem to cause trouble)
i just wanted to mention a few names 'cause he kinda asked. and now you know what techno i like

no hard feelings.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Nov 17, 2001 5:01 am

Remix would be cool. I'll get the parts ready once I get back from work. (few days)
It'll be a cool learning experience for me.

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JoeKa · Post by **JoeKa** » Wed Nov 21, 2001 7:21 pm

I don´t hear no techno... I mean I DO hear techno, but not in this track. It´s a nice shuffled house beat you have done there, but a little bit of filter-modulation on the bassline might pep it up by far. Try it!