News from Creamware - Status of the Company and Scope

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:54 am

I think that it's safe to assume with the new hardware will have onboard RAM, if it's goinig to be an external box.

With firewire bandwidth issues, the last thing you need is extra audio streams clogging the bus for delays, reverbs and samplers.

As for 'freeze' - I can't really see the point or how it would work for a realtime DSP system.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:05 am

On 2005-07-12 08:54, darkrezin wrote:
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As for 'freeze' - I can't really see the point or how it would work for a realtime DSP system.

I can't see the point too, being not a DSP programmer; but UAD's DSP cards do have a freeze ability, so why not a future Scope hardware... Seeing that the freeze feature is now a strong point for native and UAD stuffs

[ This Message was edited by: Grok on 2005-07-12 09:06 ]

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:19 am

Production of new cards

very soon. I had a good dream.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:22 am

I canèt bear to think of the cost of replacing 2 Pulsar 2 cards.....

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:36 am

Onboard memory for reverb and delays would be nice, but there is no way they're going to fit a gig or more of ram onto the card/box for sampling. For that reason, they won't be able to do FireWire or USB. They're going to HAVE to use PCI-Express. There is no other option.

dodge · Post by **dodge** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:16 pm

How about a PCI, PCI/X or PCI Express card together with an external box? Could mean that the PCI card can be replaced without having to replace the box. That way, it should be easier to stay up to date with the latest computer hardware without having to redesign everything and basically start from scratch. The actual connection from the box to the card could be proprietary, like z-link. Sort of like the MOTU PCI card and external I/O boxes. On steroids that is...

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:48 pm

Yep, in an ideal world this would be my favoured solution as well (it would follow the paradigm of the RME multiface/digiface... maybe there could even be a PCMCIA card... droool..

Still I won't get my hopes up as it may be quite expensive to develop.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:50 pm

an updated card would be just fine.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:53 pm

yeah to be honest, *anything* would be fine.

Apart from all the idle speculation about the form the thing will take, I think to start talking about upgrade paths etc is a bit premature. IMHO I don't think it's reasonable to expect this - apart from anything else I'm not sure how those returned cards could be useful to CW to make it worthwhile.

A discount would be more than adequate.

Ability to combine new and old cards via STDM - would be amazing, although maybe an engineering nightmare.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:54 pm

well, I guess the boxes will just look similiar to this one inside...

just speculating, Tom

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:31 pm

Happy to hear they are again working on new hardware, I'm looking forward to new DSPs for Scope!

I put my bet, like shayne and garyb, on next generation PCI, against outboard gear, at least untill they slap some memory slots on the boards...

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:05 pm

I was seriously thinking about getting a new card. I'm glad I read this before I did. The value of the old cards is going to drop more though. We are speculating that it will be an external device? I like that idea. I wonder if I will be able to register all my stuff to it. Onboard RAM? sounds great! Especially if users can add RAM to it. Creamware has a tendency to make everything proprietary. Their firewire connector to the Luna and external breakout box is an example.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:49 pm

On 2005-07-12 09:22, paulrmartin wrote:
I canèt bear to think of the cost of replacing 2 Pulsar 2 cards.....

sorry again but there will be _no_ replacement for the current scope cards in near future!
furthermore, it is too early to say anything about a new hardware. as mentioned before, not even the connection is chosen!

the truth:
we got a scope plugin working on new 200MHz DSPs:
http://www.creamware.de/page.php?seite= ... ly&lang=de

[ This Message was edited by: AndreD on 2005-07-13 01:31 ]

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:52 am

On 2005-07-13 00:49, AndreD wrote:
we got a scope plugin working on new 200MHz DSPs:
http://www.creamware.de/page.php?seite=asbfamily?=de

Und für die Englisch sprächer

http://www.cwaudio.de/index.php?seite=asbfamily?=en

[ This Message was edited by: samplaire on 2005-07-13 01:55 ]

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:02 am

To tell you the truth, I'm just happy to see them getting some success with their investment.

I always feel that it is in my interests for Creamware to be on a winner.

I'm happy to wait a while before I get myself in a panic about replacing or upgrading my setup.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:53 am

On 2005-07-13 02:02, caleb wrote:
I'm happy to wait a while before I get myself in a panic about replacing or upgrading my setup.

expansion instead of replacing will be the action

[ This Message was edited by: AndreD on 2005-07-13 07:53 ]

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:23 am

I hope this idea of maximum flexibility is found good...

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... tart=40&59

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:51 am

expansion instead of replacing will be the action

Maybe - but I couldn't really care less whether it's one or the other at the moment.

I'd rather deal with a real spec rather than spec-ulation for the time being. Only then will I start worrying about any of it.

Again though - hurrah for Creamware.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:00 am

On 2005-07-13 07:51, caleb wrote:
expansion instead of replacing will be the action
Maybe - but I couldn't really care less whether it's one or the other at the moment.

I'd rather deal with a real spec rather than spec-ulation for the time being. Only then will I start worrying about any of it.

Wise words - just to stop wrong expectations here....

[ This Message was edited by: AndreD on 2005-07-13 08:01 ]

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:10 am

On 2005-07-11 10:40, jabney wrote:
hi Voidar,

You said, "I hope we'll be able to exchange our old cards for the new ones for a given price when these are out."

As long as I can use all - or even the vast majority - of my existing devices on the new hardware, I'll be OK.

An official CreamWare trade-in program would be nice, but doesn't having access to ebay constitute a trade-in program these days?

best,

John

Well, there will definitely be a legacy-support issue to handle.
If the code is different etc.

[ This Message was edited by: voidar on 2005-07-13 09:40 ]