Lightning
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ChrisWerner
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Hi there,
that is a nice track, it has much surprises in it. First I thought on PinkFloyd then it went into a Tangerine Dream(their faster tracks) and JMJ mixture but it always stays unique.
I really like the slide lead sound and the changes in the mood. Nice drum work ,too.
Thanks for sharing this.
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that is a nice track, it has much surprises in it. First I thought on PinkFloyd then it went into a Tangerine Dream(their faster tracks) and JMJ mixture but it always stays unique.
I really like the slide lead sound and the changes in the mood. Nice drum work ,too.
Thanks for sharing this.
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ChrisWerner on 2005-01-09 12:05 ]</font>
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hubird
I always find it difficult to give comment on the mix.
It's so dependant from what you want.
Often I'm not sure if the mix was intended the way it is.
One could say, that doesn't matter, you like it or not.
But that's not always true.
I could say, the drums sound far away, and aren't defined enough, but what if you say I've used an 25 years old toy machine, because I liked the stupid sound?
Then I could have missed a new trend
You understand?
On the other side, if you just wasn't able to create a real mix that sounds like your favorite records, then I could mention a few things, like the drum stuff.
Anyway, I would say, if you keep everything, then you still could try to blow up all the 'string' sounds, by adding a quality longtailed reverb (cut the highs drastically) combined with some long delay effect, and use a stereo widthener.
Get the whole mix through the great Optimaster compressor and, specificly, the Psy-Q. Or use identicals
That would not do more than enlarging the effect that these sounds seem to be after
It's so dependant from what you want.
Often I'm not sure if the mix was intended the way it is.
One could say, that doesn't matter, you like it or not.
But that's not always true.
I could say, the drums sound far away, and aren't defined enough, but what if you say I've used an 25 years old toy machine, because I liked the stupid sound?
Then I could have missed a new trend
You understand?
On the other side, if you just wasn't able to create a real mix that sounds like your favorite records, then I could mention a few things, like the drum stuff.
Anyway, I would say, if you keep everything, then you still could try to blow up all the 'string' sounds, by adding a quality longtailed reverb (cut the highs drastically) combined with some long delay effect, and use a stereo widthener.
Get the whole mix through the great Optimaster compressor and, specificly, the Psy-Q. Or use identicals
That would not do more than enlarging the effect that these sounds seem to be after
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Neil B
I have to agree for the most part with the comments from Chris & Huub.
It definitely has that "Crazy Diamonds" style intro (always a winner in my books) and then moves into a nice Jarre-esque track.
I like it - nice track.
Mix-wise I agree with Huub but for different comments I'd add the following:
(Oh, bear in mind that I have had a few hearing problems recently)-
I thought I could hear a soft choir "oohs" way back in the mix. Perhaps it was part of another voice, but I think this should come up a bit higher in the mix.
Musically too there are elements which came to mind, and in a way these cross reference to the mix:
The deeper elements of the organ/pad sometimes felt as if it was dragging, and as if it was there to add more body to the track. Perhaps varying the inversions of the chords would give a bit of lift, add variety to the track and at the same time it would add more interest around the lower frequencies (in a sense lifting the mix).
Around the section leading up to the 2 mins 30 secs mark there is a nice chord progression or two. I would've been inclined to perhaps throw in a 7th on one of the last chords, hold it longer and then finally let it resolve itself. This would add more interest and a bit of tension in it (a favourite trick of JMJ by the way).
Leading up to and around the 4 minute mark is a nice feel but my personal feeling was that the lead should played a little bit more legato - it felt over-quantised too.
All that sounds like a lot of comments but I can assure you that none of them are harsh criticisms - I really liked the track very much (and I'll keep it) - it was simply my "take" after listening to it a couple of times.
It definitely has that "Crazy Diamonds" style intro (always a winner in my books) and then moves into a nice Jarre-esque track.
I like it - nice track.
Mix-wise I agree with Huub but for different comments I'd add the following:
(Oh, bear in mind that I have had a few hearing problems recently)-
I thought I could hear a soft choir "oohs" way back in the mix. Perhaps it was part of another voice, but I think this should come up a bit higher in the mix.
Musically too there are elements which came to mind, and in a way these cross reference to the mix:
The deeper elements of the organ/pad sometimes felt as if it was dragging, and as if it was there to add more body to the track. Perhaps varying the inversions of the chords would give a bit of lift, add variety to the track and at the same time it would add more interest around the lower frequencies (in a sense lifting the mix).
Around the section leading up to the 2 mins 30 secs mark there is a nice chord progression or two. I would've been inclined to perhaps throw in a 7th on one of the last chords, hold it longer and then finally let it resolve itself. This would add more interest and a bit of tension in it (a favourite trick of JMJ by the way).
Leading up to and around the 4 minute mark is a nice feel but my personal feeling was that the lead should played a little bit more legato - it felt over-quantised too.
All that sounds like a lot of comments but I can assure you that none of them are harsh criticisms - I really liked the track very much (and I'll keep it) - it was simply my "take" after listening to it a couple of times.
Thanks Hubrid and thanks Neil!
I'm very happy that someone has listened and reviewed the track with very helpfull suggestions and ideas.
@ Hubird: I understand what you mean and I think you're right. Our intention was to make an "energy" drum but anyway with a "standard" sound. Probably we are yet a bit far to achive this result but we'll work on it.
About Optimaster and Psy-Q, I can't efford these beautiful pieces of code. We have used the standard CW compressor. After this mix I've discovered D-comp, but we haven't used it in this mix right now.
@ Nail: thanks a lot for your suggestion in paricular the one regarding the musical elements. Originally the track was a bit different, because we played it live. If you (and Hubrid also, obviously) are interested I have uploaded it here:
http://www.geocities.com/fruitscompany2 ... htning.mp3
(keep in mind it's a very early recording (a sketch) and for this reason it isn't played very well...)
@ both: I must admit that we haven't a big experience on mixing and
this was the second track we mixed with the pulsar; probably is for this reason that the mix isn't very clean. Honeslty I have very appreciated your suggestion and as soon as i see my other frinds i tell to them the things you say to me. I'm sure they appreciate.
I'm also glad that someone has recognized some Jarre and Pink Floyd influences, because they are some of our favourites artists
If you have any other ideas or suggestions please write them!
Thanks a lot
Marco
I'm very happy that someone has listened and reviewed the track with very helpfull suggestions and ideas.
@ Hubird: I understand what you mean and I think you're right. Our intention was to make an "energy" drum but anyway with a "standard" sound. Probably we are yet a bit far to achive this result but we'll work on it.
About Optimaster and Psy-Q, I can't efford these beautiful pieces of code. We have used the standard CW compressor. After this mix I've discovered D-comp, but we haven't used it in this mix right now.
@ Nail: thanks a lot for your suggestion in paricular the one regarding the musical elements. Originally the track was a bit different, because we played it live. If you (and Hubrid also, obviously) are interested I have uploaded it here:
http://www.geocities.com/fruitscompany2 ... htning.mp3
(keep in mind it's a very early recording (a sketch) and for this reason it isn't played very well...)
@ both: I must admit that we haven't a big experience on mixing and
this was the second track we mixed with the pulsar; probably is for this reason that the mix isn't very clean. Honeslty I have very appreciated your suggestion and as soon as i see my other frinds i tell to them the things you say to me. I'm sure they appreciate.
I'm also glad that someone has recognized some Jarre and Pink Floyd influences, because they are some of our favourites artists
If you have any other ideas or suggestions please write them!
Thanks a lot
Marco