I wish Vengeance would do presets for CW...

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:53 pm

Ever hear there presets?

Do a search for them and listen to the mp3s of their patch listings for some hardware/software synths they have, simply amazing stuff, if CW could get these guys on board, that could really be a draw for them ide imagine, as fas as techno goes, these guys are tops in the preset creation world.

Maybe CW could throw these guys something to lure them in

Cheers!

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:16 pm

I'm intrigued, but can't find anything.
Have you got a link?

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:21 pm

i guess this is the one :

http://www.vengeance-music.de/

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:35 pm

Cheers

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:55 pm

well, if that link is correct, I'd hardly call it "techno". Sounds like commercial trance to me.

Post by **hubird** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:05 pm

eek!...not my cup of soup

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-12-06 23:06 ]

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:32 pm

Thats kind of my point.

Very common synth sounds which are what tons of people that are getting itno music these days are seeking, CWs patch system is perfect being that they can have all the banks available right there. I truelly belive that in a system like the CW stuff, havingthe widest possible array of sound demos available to the public is what will help them sell the system. Currently there are so little in the arena of demos avalable, it kind of makes it hard for potential customers to get a real idea what they are getting in the plug/synth aspect of scope.

You could always have your traditional classic banks and CW banks and then have a bank of trance/techno/house stuff in that nature. Its things like this that help bring new people who are looking for a system into the frey, these guys did the stock bank for the Vanguard, which is a widely used synth and known to be a trance machine for the most part.

I could see no reason why it would hurt CW to try and give new potential users a wider array of sounds from guys that program patches of this nature. In my opinion, they may be trance patches but for trance music, these guys are very good at what they do.

Cheers

[ This Message was edited by: Basic Pitch on 2004-12-07 13:37 ]

Post by **hubird** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:46 pm

CWA could give toppers like Tiesto a Scope Pro system for free, would be good for bussuness if it gets known

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:09 pm

Exactly,

They should extend themselfs a bit towards the known people in the industry, not just electronic based artists but all ganre's, that how outfits like NI and Spectrasics do things, then after they send a freebie, they can add that artists name to the list of users of their applications, sure its kind of a cheep way of going about things, but that sort of publicity sells units ide imagine

Cheers!

fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:46 am

Let's do here in planet z a patch contest (well not actually a contest but let's make some weird sounds). Everyone interested?

Ganool · Post by **Ganool** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:51 am

I'm definately up for it. But why not make it a contest of it? Make CW involed and ask if they could put up a cool prize of some kind? Maybe a card or just a plug...

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:30 am

On 2004-12-07 19:46, hubird wrote:
CWA could give toppers like Tiesto a Scope Pro system for free, would be good for bussuness if it gets known

Well, I don't know about Tiesto, but that other big dutch producer Junkie XL does use a Scope system. Perhaps they could try and get him for an interview or something...

as for the presets, well of course the current demo situation is ridiculous. The total lack of downloadable demo's and the poor quality and low quantity of even mp3 audio demo's can't do anything but hurt sales. I can't really think of any other audio hard- or software manufacturer who asks it's custumors this kind of blind faith in it's product to buy them without trying/hearing.
So I geuss it is important to have good quality presets in different styles for your devices and also to make some decent mp3 demo's to put on the site.
We even tried to help CWA with the demo contest, and what did they do with the demo's? NOTHING! The whole website now contains not a single snippet of audio!
Way to go CWA!

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:44 am

Didn't know that JXL had a Scope. I do know he was the first ever to get permission for a remix of Elvis (A Little Less Conversation).

So, the first (and only?) remix of Elvis ever was done on Scope?

Oh, and the contest songs are still online - had to run a search on CW's website to find them tho :/

nitty gritty · Post by **nitty gritty** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:53 pm

I think the guys name is Manuel Schleiss
and he has done sounbanks for Virus, Jp8000
etc... and has just started to move into software i.e. Vanguard and even cubase sx synth A1.

I think that he has not been impressed much by soft synths (so far), but then again he's probably never tried CW synths.

Even if you're not into euro trance/techno many of his patches would still be usable in many other genres perhaps it's only our imagimnations that are stifling the possibilities?

If he were to design some CW soundbanks it would definitely introduce a lot more customers to CW and that can only mean good things.

If you check the NI site you'll notice much more news and artist recommendations than CW.
IMHO if CW were to put a prominent link to Planet Z on the top of their homepage, our discussions, music and recommendations alone would make a huge difference to their sales and our future.

Who wants to start a petition for CW to sponsor this forum from their homepage???

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:27 am

On 2004-12-09 07:44, at0m|c wrote:
Didn't know that JXL had a Scope. I do know he was the first ever to get permission for a remix of Elvis (A Little Less Conversation).

So, the first (and only?) remix of Elvis ever was done on Scope?

Oh, and the contest songs are still online - had to run a search on CW's website to find them tho :/

Well, I don't think the Elvis remix was neccesarily done on Scope.

JXL has quite a huge studio and the scope is only one of the tools in there.
This is from his website, an overview of the computers in his studio:

A brief overview:

Mixing & Audio Editing
Apple Mac G5 running Digidesign ProTools TDM hard & software, 3x 888I/O & ADAT, TDM software & plugins;

Creation, Sequencing & Sound design
Apple Mac G5 running Steinberg Cubase SX, Ableton Live 3, TC Electronics Powercore and Native Instruments FM7, Reaktor 4, Absynth 2, Kontakt, Pro53, Spektral Delay, Intakt, Kompakt, Vokator, Battery and B4;

Sound design
PC PIV running Creamware Scope, TC Electronics Powercore & Native Bundle and Steinberg Cubase SX, Ableton Live 3 and Native Instruments Reaktor 4, FM7, Pro53, Vokator, Absynth 2, Kontakt, Battery and Spektral Delay, and other plugins;

At Home, on the Road & in Bed
2 Mac Powerbooks G4 with Digidesign MBox, TC Powercore, M-Audio cards, Steinberg Cubase SX, Ableton Live and Native Instruments; also internet

And yes I know the user demo's are still there, but they are only on the contest page and not with the devices themselves!

[ This Message was edited by: King of Snake on 2004-12-10 07:27 ]

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:34 am

On 2004-12-09 18:53, nitty gritty wrote:
I think the guys name is Manuel Schleiss
and he has done sounbanks for Virus, Jp8000
etc... and has just started to move into software i.e. Vanguard and even cubase sx synth A1.

I think that he has not been impressed much by soft synths (so far), but then again he's probably never tried CW synths.

Even if you're not into euro trance/techno many of his patches would still be usable in many other genres perhaps it's only our imagimnations that are stifling the possibilities?

If he were to design some CW soundbanks it would definitely introduce a lot more customers to CW and that can only mean good things.

If you check the NI site you'll notice much more news and artist recommendations than CW.
IMHO if CW were to put a prominent link to Planet Z on the top of their homepage, our discussions, music and recommendations alone would make a huge difference to their sales and our future.

Who wants to start a petition for CW to sponsor this forum from their homepage???

well, we've all been down this road before many times. There have been many good suggestions from this forum on how CWA could at least improve their online presence. Some of these suggestions were used in the new site, and there was some good contact between PlanetZ and their webmaster for a brief period, but after that everything became quiet again.

Fact is that CWA is not quite as big and hip as NI and probably don't have the same kind of marketing money to spend.
I'm not sure if it's the money or just CWA's complete lack of marketing skills though. Maybe it's both.