very very OT but also very very mission critical... tweeter

Post by **garyb** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 5:01 pm

not to cause any grief or bag on anyones choice of gear(it's all good to me),but i would warn that the best SOUNDING speakers are not allways the best REFERENCE MONITOR.

p.s. NS10m's were the monitor of choice among money making producers in l.a. during the nineties, especially in hip/hop and r&b. screechy highs and no bass,go figure.

JoeKa · Post by **JoeKa** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 5:48 pm

I know, but the nineties are over now, and modeled basses becomes more and more important in the electronic music today. Just tell me, how do I clearly form a bass I don´t even hear? That would be interesting to me... having the possibility of getting a giant bass from your monitors does not mean you have to turn it up all the time. But it´s good to have it for the knowledge of how your sound will come out on a big soundsystem as used in Clubs. And that´s where my music is supposed to play.

Post by **garyb** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 9:34 pm

i hear you, and i'm not advocating ns10's altho they can do the job well, for mixing that is.i too would recommend a sub or dual woofer monitor to check the low low stuff. still, it's a fallacy to think that you are recreating the club system just cause you have a sub.once again, a good REFERENCE is just that. a reference is applicable to all situations. when you know your point of reference and do a good mix on that,mixes in many different environments will sound good.also, club sound has NOT improved (i sell the gear.)in the last 5-10 years. drivers have been perfected quite some time, and amps have gotten lighter but not any better.still, what you get good results from is good i have no doubt your system sounds EXCELLENT mr. joeka.

JoeKa · Post by **JoeKa** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 10:22 pm

Aw, cut out the the "mr.", I don´t want to feel that old...

Well, club PAs sound much different to my monitors, that´s right. Most medium PAs do hardly go under 28Hz and they´re much more kicking the bass than my sub is. I used to work on my Infinity SM120´s before I got that Quested stuff, they are closer to the hard bass of PAs, but the first time I played my own sounds in a set as DJ, I was really confused about what I heard: there were fierce subfrequencies in my material I never heard before, so I decided to get me some monitors that would not hide anything to my ears and after a lot of testing in the stores I just fell in love with these systems. And I still love them. I´ll admit that the change in sound I experienced was a bit harsh, and the first tracks I did with the new systems were a bit weak on bass in comparison to other speakers, but I got used to it quite soon, and now my stuff´s just right rumbling in a club and just decent on most average homestereos, in a word the way I want it to be, and that´s what makes it count, doesn´t it?
Cheers, I´m going to sleep now (it´s 8:23 AM here...)
*bonk*

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 10:33 pm

Oh come on, let's not start anything strange... I was only looking for some infos on monitors.. not HOW I should be mixing.. though I'd agree with garyb's general guidelines. (because I do my initial tweaking on 10m's for a good reason) But I'm looking for something to to check bass response afterwards... So I guess you could say I'm looking for a REFERENCE after all.. maybe a mix up of terms.

And sheesh! I better get something quick.. I'm becoming DESPARATE!

Funktastico · Post by **Funktastico** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 10:44 pm

No-one still answered my question... do PS6's reveal enough bass (compared to PS8?) or would I need a sub-bass with them?

Toni L.
http://www.mp3.com/NativeAlien

Post by **garyb** » Thu Oct 11, 2001 10:45 pm

yes you might want a sub to check the ultra low stuff,but setting it up could be tricky (see joeka's post about having too little bass in mixes at first),how about a dual woofer monitor? (like an audix nile x,sweeet). also, the best thing one could do is tweek the room.(what, bedrooms are not finely tuned audio environments?)

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Oct 12, 2001 3:36 am

Yeah, at my music store, they sell PS6 with a sub. They don't sell them alone. Maybe they're not so good on bass then..

borg · Post by **borg** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 6:41 am

hi, there everybody

all very interesting, but i just bought the pulsar card, a (second hand) G3, a AD/DA convertor, have lots of hardware i hardly use anymore (but don't want to get rid of, i still love my nordrack2 and korg ms10) and i hardly got any cash left to buy a stupid midi controller (phat boy, kenton control freak, any suggestions). i'm still playing my music on the hifistereo... (yeah, i know) it's a NAD amp with old Scott speakers. after the midi controller, an amp and monitors are the next thing on my wish list.
but as i gave up my job to enjoy life and make music, money is a bit of a problem. it's a bit frustrating to hear you guys talking about monitors costing about ONE THOUSAND us dollars, when i can hardly afford a 200 dollar knob tweaker.
as far as i know these yamaha monitors sound like s**t, but that's what they're designed to do. if you can make your music sound great on them, it will sound great on anything (and they're not that expensive). and what about the alesis stuff? (it's a question, not a remark or hint) are there any great monitors under US$ 500?
any suggestions? (don't tell me to get a new job)

sorry to bother you pro people with this broke amateur cry for advice.
stilldreaming to get on the road with a powerbook G4 and a magma chassis filled with lots of pulsars and dsp cards
cheers

Micha · Post by **Micha** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 1:12 am

A good cheapo is Quadral SAM 4600 (about 200$). Better then nothing for a
Happy pulsaring
Micha

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:42 am

The Yamaha NS10M is OK to have I think. Shouldn't be your only set though. (use it in conjunction with your stereos) I still think the response on the 10m is superb but it just won't work by itself.
It's a great monitor to learn to beat though.

Funktastico · Post by **Funktastico** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:52 am

Learn to beat the stereo?
Talk about domestic violence. lol

Toni L.
http://www.mp3.com/NativeAlien

Post by **garyb** » Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:34 am

a nice cheap monitor is the yorkville ysm1.the store i work in prices them at about $225 US. nice n crisp. not harsh tho. 6 1/4 woofer. for sub freqs, use a sub.for mixing(imaging w/verbs,balancing tracks) they're more than adequate. better than the alesis in a small room as they are front ported (less false bass when near a wall) and the tweeters reveal more detail and are less colored. nice plain jane.

nukiss · Post by **nukiss** » Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:03 am

I bought the Behringer truth as second system!... i am almost ashamed but the sound is really usefull, wenn you close your eyes and forget the mark it's very near to the genelecs 1030 less highs more bass and for 380 Euros...a pair! it's about 5 times cheaper. i^ll have my r'n'b mixes done with more accuracy in the bottom end.
check it.
anyone with these speakers? some comments?

Post by **garyb** » Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:02 am

chinese made with slave labor so very cheap in price.............as with most behrenger products,more than acceptable for use.

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:37 am

garyb wrote:
chinese made with slave labor so very cheap in price.............

they aren't slaves! they get paid for what they do! that's fair! [sarcasm]

JoeKa · Post by **JoeKa** » Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:10 pm

What do you think about these:

http://www.syrincs.com/new/m3bl.htm

Sorry, but the page is only available in german at the moment. A friend of mine uses them and he´s all happy with that system. It´s DM 999.-, which is around 490 Euros. Quite fair for an active system, I´d say.

borg · Post by **borg** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:03 am

thanks everybody for the massive amount of info.
german is not a big problem for dutch speakin' folks, so the info was more than helpful.
btw, been to the creamware work shop yesterday and it sucked big time. for people already workin' with pulsar or luna, it was worthless, for the ones considering to buy the cards it went too fast, the automation part of the demo (which i was interested in) didn't work out at all ('i must take my phat boy to the shop to get it fixed' come on!!!), jokes were really bad.
in fact everything lacked a serious amount of professionality. and the volkszampler they handed out for free, well, it doesn't work on my mac, so precious time not well spent. i should have asked for more info before going, my fault. don't say i didn't warn you. (might take this one to the announcements)

andy