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Hi people!

I just bought myself a pular II and am running it on my pc with nuendo. I have only had it for a couple of days and am still working it all out. It seems i will be mainly running it in xtc mode through nuendo as recording live audio through my echo layla 24/96 is what i do.

Does anyone else out there use the pulsar & nuendo happily? I would be very interested to ask a couple of questions about it all as i am getting pretty stressed out. Thanx!

when the new wdm drivers come out,you'll probably want to dump the layla as the pulsar has that function.

On 2002-08-28 12:20, garyb wrote:
when the new wdm drivers come out,you'll probably want to dump the layla as the pulsar has that function.

Why should you want to use WDM drivers with Nuendo? I think the ASIO drivers at this moment are even better than the forthcoming WDM drivers.

cheers,
vincent

In any Steinberg Software, or propellerheads, ALLWAYS the ASIO drivers are better than any other driver.

I{m using NUENDO with Pulsar2...

DJATWORK

Why should you want to use WDM drivers with Nuendo? I think the ASIO drivers at this moment are even better than the forthcoming WDM drivers.

cheers,
vincent

duh! of course you're right!thinkink of sonar was i...use sfp.

Hey DJATWORK,
So you use nuendo and pulsar with no problems? I think i finally have it sorted though i havent finished recording my first project on it though. I have always used the "export audio mixdown" feature in nuendo, the only way to do this now is to record the mix to a stereo track through the "l merge" output, is that correct?

Is there a way to do this straight into wavelab on the same computer?

The posts i have read of yours have always been great, thanks heaps!!

yes!use .wav drivers with asio.nuendo will use asio and wavelab will grab the .wav.

think of nuendo as a multitrack recorder and think of wavelab as a mastering deck.use the mixer in sfp to connect the two in the same way as you would in the real world.(asio is the physical jackfield for nuendo and wav is the wavelab jackfield)

press 'record' in wavelab and then 'play' in nuendo.

amazing!virtual reality!

hi garyb,

What your telling me is exactly what i want to do, but when i try to load the sfp while nuendo is running it tells me to close other creamware applications!

sorry scrap that.

I can load sfp, then nuendo then wavelab. It tells me that i can't use plugins but thats cool, i connect the asio source to the wave destination just as you say but now when i'm pressing play in nuendo i'm seeing the meters move but getting no sound - going nuts! When i press record in wavelab, of course, it records nothing!

I can't figure out what it is i'm doing wrong. If anyone can see the problem or has the same situation please let me know.
Thanx..

just like the real world,it's good to put a mixer in between.(asio out to mixer in,mixer out to wav in)

it must work.

Also, the error you're seeing about 'Cannot run Creamware...' etc. is because you've got XTC mode enabled. In the 'livebar' go to Set>Settings and on the first page uncheck 'use XTC mode'.

As for the input into Wavelab, Set>RoutingWindow, then make sure you're using an appropriate mixer--there's a basic one in the default startup project that should work just fine, along with a default stereo pair.

Make sure that your mix output is connected to the Wave Dest 1 module. You can chain off the inputs of the ASIO(2?) Dest if need be.

Yep, like Gary says, stick a mixer in there as well and look at the level meters to make sure you actually have something coming out of the asio source module. Make sure you activate the output bus in nuendo corresponding to the asio source module output you are using. And make sure you are using the scope driver in Nuendo too.

Thanx people!!
I got it working (recording into wavelab from nuendo). The crap thing is that i have to be looking at the nuendo mixer 4 it to work, when i bring anything else to the front(including the sfp mixer) it stops playin. That i can live with.

What i can't live with is the huge crackle or distortion i get from time to time in my signal after recording.

I'm getting old and gray.

The crap thing is that i have to be looking at the nuendo mixer 4 it to work, when i bring anything else to the front(including the sfp mixer) it stops playin. That i can live with.

What i can't live with is the huge crackle or distortion i get from time to time in my signal after recording.

The first: You have to select an option in NUENDO to NOT RELEASE the driver in the background, so NUENDO get the driver and don´t stop the signal transmition even if you minimize it. Then, you won´t have any problem with that.

The second:
I recomend doing it all in NUENDO, with high buffers quantity and not the smallest ULLI latency , but its just a choice...Anyway for doing this kind of recording with Wavelab and Nuendo you should keep this in mind:

If you have 2 hard drives, make NUENDO reproduce from a drive, and Wavelab record in the other drive. Even if Wavelab records on System drive, it will be better that having 2 software working together on the same disk.

Then, to avoid noises, crackles , jitter or any digital error, you should: first set Wavelab to RECORD, and then minimize wavelab. Then set the transport 10 seconds before the song start, and press play in NUENDO. Then minimise NUENDO too.
(I asume that everything else is minimised too). When you listen that the song ends, restore Wavelab and stop recording, and then do the same with NUENDO. Cut the first 10 seconds in wavelab!

Microsoft asume that all the users prefer to have "perfect video resolution" than general PC performance, so if the system "has" to "stop" the audio transmition for an instant to solve any Video stuff, it will do it, so keeping that in mind, don´t get in risk having all the screen mooving, vumeters, transport, etc etc...

Another good thing is always when recording set the smallest zoom, so the screen does not have to be upgraded in real time to show in detail the sound wave. You can also choose in Nuendo "not real time sound image" so the program records the WAV and when you stop recording makes the wave representation in the screen.

The 99% of time this stuff might be unnecesary, but for that 1% times, it´s good preventing, because the PC is an evil machine, and will fail in the worst moment, in the best set of the musicians...that wich "was perfect" and they wanted to keep...

I´m translating things from NUENDO spanish version, so some things that I tell you here, won´t have the same denomination in the software. If you can´t find them, tell me...


DJATWORK

YOU ARE A BEAUTIFUL MAN!

Your tips are very handy thankyou and your translation is perfect. If you say to do it all in nuendo, how do you convert it to wave ready for burning to c.d?

A very grateful boy..

P.s. If i continue you get digital errors in recording, should i update my chipset drivers? would that help? I have a ASUS CUSL2 Motherboard.

Thanx..

If you say to do it all in nuendo, how do you convert it to wave ready for burning to c.d?

P.s. If i continue you get digital errors in recording, should i update my chipset drivers? would that help? I have a ASUS CUSL2 Motherboard.

First at all...please forget about those things like "beautifull man" and things like that!!!
In my country that´s not well seen!! =)

To do it all in nuendo, firts make a new Stereo Track in nuendo with the complete mix, the final result that you wan´t to keep. Then mute EVERYTHING else than that new stereo track, and make an EXPORT. Remember that in NUENDO you export only what it is beteen "1 - 2" markers. (to get the correct position of markers, Ctrl+1 = Marker 1, Ctrl+2= Marker 2).


For the digital errors.. there is an Histeryc and Neurothic thing in our heads that make us look for smallest buffers, and smallest latencies, even when we don´t really need them... thats good specially for the sound card and software manufacturers...
If you are recording in real time thats necessary, and you can make a secure "new track" recording, muting all the "not-necessary" tracks.
For a final mixdown, you HAVE to listen and record EVERY track, and every efect, and so.
In that case, you can choose biggest buffer size, and buffers quantity in nuendo, not the biggest, because that´s not good at all (try one near the biggest but not the biggest). You can also choose the biggest latency in the ULLI.

Then you MUST playback 32 tracks and mixdown them in Nuendo with EQ, Effects and all the stuff in a safe way, with a Pentium III 800Mhz and 128 MB RAM. I had done it even in Celeron PCs.
If you can´t do that, there might be another bad situation around...

Have in mind that you should use for maxium +/- the 70% of the Proccesor Usage in nuendo, seen in the "VST Performance". At least that´s my parameter...

DJATWORK

Hello again!

My system is up and running again after installing win xp corporate. Everything seems very smooth and i have not recieved any digital errors in my recording since i did this and applied your techniques, thanx.

Everything is great until the point that i need to export to a .wav file. After muting all other channels and setting locate points etc, I go to export and now it tells me "an error occured in export" under nuendo and nothing happens. What the hell?

I would record to wavelab as i had before but since upgrading to win xp, wavelab 3 will not work for me. Should wavelab 3 work under win xp? I have tried re-installing it but still nothing.

Does anyone know the solutions to my problems?

You should check that in the manufacturers websites.
Nuendo 1.52 works fine for me under win 200/XP, and wavelab 4 the same...

DJATWORK

I keep wave drivers handy in my project in case I want to take that route, but I rarely find it necessary. Personally I would recommend just bouncing back into Nuendo.

To do this you'll need to use an ASIO Destination as well as your asio source in your Pulsar project. Route the mix out of your final/main mixer and into the ASIO Dest (or ASIO2 Dest etc). You can chain off the input to another destination if necessary, like I do to the analog outputs for monitoring (I don't need a separate monitor out really, Just a single Fader inline to adjust my monitor mix level independantly and have a hard limit to avoid clipping).

This is useful not only to bounce an entire mix, but to process and record back in individual parts or groups of sound. This is especially advantageous because you can use the [Nuendo signal chain>Bus out to Pulsar>process in Pulsar>Record back into Nuendo] to process sounds and then get them back into Nuendo where you can manipulate them more or group with other tracks. I tend to do a lot of layering, bounce into a new track, perhaps take that and do a few regular audio edits and then eq & automate or just throw into a softsampler to resample it and use it again.

There's a slight delay which you can measure and compensate for, if you're doing a lot of detail oriented work like layering single hits where alignment is critical, but overall it's quite serviceable for me usually without worrying about adjusting for delay. For recording the entire mixdown it's rediculously easy.

When you are ready to open in an audio, editor/mastering prog you can rename the recorded part on the track you've recorded to and the file in your <drive:path/project folder>/Audio/ will have that <name>.wav making it easy to locate and edit (I generally save in a new location like the parent project dir as <name>-Mixdown00x.wav and then delete the bounced part from nuendo and the audio pool.