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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:57 pm
by hubird
This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <BR><BR><a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Trance<BR> copyright © unknown :-)<BR> _____________________________________<BR><BR> I would say, if you wanne make dance, than you should forget about classical harmonic and melodic thinking, like also someone else in your thread points out!
Let the machines talk. Why?

What they are good in, is making the arrangement by technological stuf like lots of filtering, release times, all controllers, arpeggiatings, etc.
Without resonance filtering no dance!
That's why the 303 got so famous.

And if you see a sequencer as a machine, than let do the arrangement his work, meaning let the job done by activating and de-activating parts, by special fx, by fade ins and outs, by filtering the audio tracks, etc., instead playing around 1000 (great) notes.

You're a really good musicion, but you know, one could say who cares? (no offend, just logical).
For me I try to imagine what people *need*, on the floor or also at home.
Not me or my playing is really interesting for the consumer of (dance)music, but the musical result, what you hear when time is there.
I never really play keyboard (I can't!), but sometimes I play a bit, make a note part by cutting and replacing some 'played' notes, and repeat x times.
May I direct you to my post of the song I made with dj Phezzler, his name is in the subject.
The only thing I played by myself is the 'guitar' part, but I was recording just some notes to check routings while recording.
Yet the song isn't sounding heavily 'sequenced', the job is done just by the arrangement itself, some big fx, and lots of modulation and filtering (Northpole is s-u-p-e-r!).

For me virtuosity isn't interesting, cause there is *allways* someone who's better, and if you're not one of those gods, there are lots of them...
Personelly I feel this as a moment of freedom, not beeing dependent of my virtuosity or moreover the lack of it.

In one statement: it's the result that counts, not the intentions of the playing musicion.
In dance there is nothing 'behind' the music, there's just a waxy 12#, you can't imagin the picture of a band or even human beings, it's just you and the music in your head.
It's about trance.
In your head.

I just took an arbitrairy trance mix of whoever and posted a small part of it.
Hey, it's goa trance, but it makes very clear what I'm trying to say to you.
After that I will upload a song by myself, what has some trance aspirations. (before someone says why not something of yourself :wink:

And the best advice: Why not go to some progressive dance parties, you won't regret (if you didn't allready).

Feed your head :smile:

Let There Be Music!




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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:17 am
by Nestor
Hubird, thanks very much indeed. It's really helpful your staff there… Lots and lots of things to think about and put into practice. I can feel you really are into this kind of music. You gave me there the VERY point: It's music to be within oneself, or to trance oneself into.

I'm going to hear your song when posted. Thanks again for your kind reply. :smile:

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:53 am
by Zombie Agent
Hi Hubird
I'm so glad someone else on this site is on my wavelength. I make all my music on a computer using software & soundcard. I have no hardware at all, only a midi keyboard which I tinker on for ideas or a melody etc. But when I come to record I program everything. Most people cringe at this idea of making music. They believe almost certainly the music will sound sterile. Often it does especially from beginners, but it doesn't have to. I look at my computer as an instrument itself a very complicted and consuming instrument. It sits alongside or possibly above the classic instruments as far as difficulty to learn and master is concerned. It's like a modern high tech cutting edge instrument with the potential to realise anyone's ideas or visions and more WOW! It's just a matter of putting in the hard work like it is with any other instrument and learning about it inside out.

That's where I'm at now I'm learning. And with the way technology in this field is progressing I'll never stop learning, but I will get better and eventually I will be able to make what I hear and envision in my head a reality.

cheers ZA

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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:24 am
by hubird
On 2002-04-12 09:53, Zombie Agent wrote:
Hi Hubird
I'm so glad someone else on this site is on my wavelength. I make all my music on a computer using ......
Ha, sometimes you can get a bit CONFUSIONED here, listening to some music posts... :lol:

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2002 5:48 pm
by subhuman
Hallucinogen's LSD huh? :smile: Nice track. Posford rules.

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2002 6:43 am
by hubird
On 2002-04-13 18:48, subhuman wrote:
Posford rules.
Hi Sub, what The h. is posford??
BTW, it's not my track, as I point out above.
I posted it just to present right away an example of streight trance, including a classic 303 sound.
LLucy in the SSky with DDiamonds, yes that's the association with that whirling filtering all around the place :grin:

Let There Be Music!

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:15 pm
by subhuman
Simon Posford. The person behind Shpongle, Hallucinogen, the guy who wrote the track you posted... wait... you didn't even KNOW what it was? This track is a total classic, started the psytrance/goa movement in like 1995...

So yeah, quite fitting you use it as a good example of the style - Posford is my personal favorite for this kind of stuff.

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:15 pm
by subhuman
Hallucinogen is the artist. LSD is the song title. Get it now? :smile:

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2002 6:44 pm
by hubird
On 2002-04-14 15:15, subhuman wrote:
Hallucinogen is the artist. LSD is the song title. Get it now? :smile:
Got it!
I took the song from the cd A Tast Of Goa Trance, which I have as a copy without info.
So I was lucky indeed... :smile: :smile:

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:28 am
by John Cooper
Gentlemen, this is a great thread, so I don't wanna bust it up.

But let me remind you that we need to be EXTREMELY careful about copyright, etc, here in this forum. I don't want people to be uploading music for which they don't own the copyright. It's too slippery a slope, when you see other sites being shut down for copyright violations, etc.

Please let's keep the planetz uploads to personally-recorded materials. (Feel free to add a link to non-original materials hosted elsewhere, but don't upload em to planetz!)

Thanks.
-John

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:34 pm
by hubird
On 2002-04-18 09:28, John Cooper wrote:
Please let's keep the planetz uploads to personally-recorded materials.

Thanks.
-John
Ok John :smile: