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Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:41 pm
by tlaskows
Hi guys,
I think some of you use native plugins.
I use Sonar Professional and it's acting weird. I've had this same problem with Scope, so it's not my new USB audio interface issue.
Basically, most of the stuff seems to run on one core. That's what Sonar shows. If you check in task manager, the CPU Load goes up and down (on all cores though). And I mean it really goes down. When I uses the official Intel Extreme Overclocking utility, the CPU Load also goes up and down (but it doesn't show per core use).
This mainly affects the Diva. It chews my new chip for breakfast! So if I load 4 Divas let's say 6 poly each, they will cause clicking noises if I set the unison to 6 on each. I think it's maxing out the CPU. But no meter shows you that.
Is there a CPU meter that shows you what's actually going on?
Thanks!
-Tom
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:59 pm
by dawman
Dude I know way too many people with this exact problem including me.
Windows 8.1 allowed Windows 10 into my PC's and 2 of them, not 1, have somehow changed my BIOS settings.
On the Plogue forum 3 guys had this happen as well.
I bought 2 more PC's spare parts 2 copies of Windows 10.
Then realized my core affinity and BIOS settings changed.
Copy your BIOS settings or snapshot the CPU and storage options and post them here.
I've been having great performance up until this summer
and I blame Windows sneaky bastard shit......
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:23 pm
by dawman
Im using Dual Diva Filters in Zebra2 HZ.
Its locked to a single core as uHe didnt want to lose matrix modulation just to have multivore.
My BIOS tweaks cannot change its placement. ASIO host does that.
But 4 actual and 8 logical cores are now being used and Zebra2 HZ tops out at 60%.
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:41 am
by tlaskows
Crap,
Something is happening with the Z. I didn't get a notification about your reply.
So it's something about my bios settings? There's a LOT of them. Let me see if I can google it first.
Thanks man!
-Tom
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:50 am
by tlaskows
Screw this...
Switching to a Focusrite Firewire interface. USB was never meant for audio.
-Tom
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:47 am
by dawman
OMG USB.....?
I wont even use that for MIDI except for powering up a controller, and haven't done that since MAudio plastic keyboards.
My new builds only registered online during install.
I am stripping them to the bone then use core assignments in the hosts.
Aall I did was agree to upgrade from 8.1 to 10 by 2016 to get it free.
The EULA must had hidden permissions to screw up my PC forcing an early upgrade.
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:00 am
by tlaskows
Yes,
I think that's the problem Dawman
Why are these companies making USB interfaces with 16+ I/O? They will never work right.
Anyways, Firewire is on the way. That's supposed to be the shit for audio and video.
Cheers,
-Tom
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:12 am
by jksuperstar
It's possible Ethernet is finally getting ironed out for MIDI (and other control protocols) and audio. Real-time use with very low latency is possible...its just finally becoming a reality.
My iConnectivity MIDI4+ is working pretty well for MIDI handling. It is USB, but the latency in a loopback test was better than my XITE-1.
Still, always avoid the computer and go direct between hardware when you can.
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:35 am
by garyb
firewire isn't any better than USB for the same reasons that USB is bad. actually, if i were going to use firewire or USB, i would only be looking at RME.
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:37 am
by tlaskows
Let me check out RME offerings. I am willing to pay the price. Hell, I'll even get an PCI-e card if necessary.
Thanks Gary!
-Tom
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:39 pm
by tlaskows
Found this somewhere:
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I figured it out finally. And the answer is very annoying. After getting zero help from Dell technical support, I stumbled on a post in the Presonus forums. Apparently, new Intel chip sets use a USB 3.0 extensible host controller driver. Intel is aware that there are many compatibility issues with this driver and external usb audio interfaces. At this time they have no intention of fixing this incompatibility issue.
I had to open my Control Panel and uninstall the Intel USB 3.0 extensible host controller driver. After a restart of my computer, everything worked fine and I FINALLY had no pops or crackles. However, this now means that my USB ports on my computer are all working as USB 2.0. Whatever...I'm just glad I could finally use the 1818vsl for something other than a paperweight. This is probably what kept screwing up my focusrite scarlette too (I will never know because i sold it on ebay before i could get it to work). Hope this may help someone else out as well!!!
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Gonna uninstall my USB 3.0 drivers and see what happens. This thing must work fine if they are selling it no?
-Tom
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:57 pm
by tlaskows
Update:
Disabled HT in the BIOS as well as USB 3.1 and few other things. Now the cores are being loaded almost properly. Have bunch of compressors and EQs + Eventide reverbs running as well as 2 times 6 voice Divas. This will be more than enough. Diva is the killer here, if the computer is not set up properly, it will run on 1 core...
Cheers guys,
-Tom
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:06 pm
by dawman
Exactly.
Check multicore on Diva.
I cant do that with Zebra2 HZ.
Since it uses Diva Filters it is locked to a single core.
Way more Burn than Diva.
Over clock that CPU.
4320 MHZ is an ASIO sweetspot.
Also see if MCT overclocking is allowed.
Some say you enter 2 core only in the BIOS, then set MultiCore Turbo Boost.
It lets 2 cores climb to the highest clock and stays there.
Also means your 8mb cache is shared between 2 cores instead of 4 or 8 logical...
Re: Native plugins load across the cores in a DAW?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:29 pm
by tlaskows
Hey Dawman,
She's looking good so far. Playing a loop for over 30 minutes and not a glitch.
BTW the CPU is fixed at 4.7GHz. The multicore setting on the Diva seems to make things worse. I did change a setting in the way Sonar handles multicore. But realistically, 2 Divas at 6 poly at divine accuracy, never gonna need that. If I need a pad sound, 1 6 poly diva is more than enough. For bases, well 2 poly should be more than enough. For everything else, I have a few outboard stuff.
Cheers man!
-Tom