BEST DAW FOR SCOPE

[ARCADIOS]

personally i give the 1st place to SONAR X1..... I use trials of others as well cause i would like to decide my next buy(it is not that famous for being in big pro studios, but i believe it is very deep and powerful, for PCs)
opinions..... please!!

[garyb]

personally, i like Cubase, but Sonar, Samplitude, Reaper and SAW all have their good points.

i don't think the sequencer is the most important part of the equation, myself.

[ARCADIOS]

well..... cubase/nuendo have the smoothest playback engine(jog weel included).......
but there are more to consider about.......

and i agree it is not the most important thing, but every chain has its importance!!

[garyb]

they all can sound good.
choosing one over the other will NOT make the difference between a hit and a flop.

i like the editing in Cubase. personally, i think Sonar is the biggest piece of trash ever, but i know plenty who love it....

[ARCADIOS]

yea.... well, sonar is really nice but, yea there are some things especially graphics, that seem coming from an 80s pc. maybe this is a reason that some like it as well. It gives you the feeling that you are old and mature, having a non-stop connection to the past.
In sonar there is always a feeling that some artifacts are happening when moving things.......
I find it more oldish... but i like it.

Cubase is really very polish, especially in animation.
If Sonar had Cubases quality in graphics and smoothness, it would have been unbeatable.. I think...


Comping is very good in Sonar, better than Cubase i think.
Something that Cubase must improve is the meters. I find them very poor.
In sonar i can see a logical connection to scope mixers meters. the info of the leds can be similar, so to be able to controll the dynamics.
In cubase the meters in track view are rea, really poor... unless you have the mixer always on showing the big meters.

[dawman]

I think software developers are geniuses.
As smart as Cellular manufacturers...
Where else can you release products that when they don't work, you can blame the PC, or the weather and yet still get paid...?
ProTools 10 is being cheered on as a new breakthrough because it now has realtime volume features..............Brilliant.....what a concept.

Why build hardware...? You need a manufacturing facility, employees, insurance for them since they are helpless in the world without divine intervention, your shit has to actually work.....etc. What a drag, and then if the product is good, nobody needs you anymore since you created something so nice.

Software allows you to sit at home and post a jpeg. of some large building like Steinberg or Logic. You can pretend this facility is the source of your overhead, therefore justifying the yearly " upgrades " that really address bugs left behind. Have scientists in white coats and HAZMAT suits in videos handling the DVD's as they take them to anti static rooms for further QC and inspection before released...............Yeah right.

I remember when DAW's were using the names of precious metals and elements, but then they had to switch to numbers as they were running out of the various rare gems.
Iridium would have been nice, but how many serfs have ever heard of that meteor based element....
Then came the numbers.........1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11........WOW.....and they still sell shit that doesn't work....

But most importantly is if the DAW can nullfy. Machines are so superior to flawed humans, so to hell with good ears, and learning how to really mix and be creative, watch the scientific tests and make sure the pictures of real gear in your LCD dont have blurry edges, etc. and you'll be just fine. But remember to save another 1-200 bucks for your yearly fees to fix what they fucked up and left in the last version.


DAWS are Great.....

[Janni]

First of all: sorry for beeing OT!

My opinion is: DAWs aren't 'only' built for making music!
If it's about making music the classical way (recording a band), Jimmy is probably right...
I can understand that the new ProTools-version features must sound like a joke for musicians
but if you are into Movie-or TV-postproduction and have to exchange your data
with Media Composeres, those features are really 'nice'...

Back to topic:

I like Ableton Live and ProTools with scope... Sometimes Logic... depends on my needs
Ableton for working with sample-contend, ProTools is the best for recording and editing, Logic
has nice comping features and is very efficient with computer ressources...
But I can't comment on PC versions or DAWs beeing connected to scope via ASIO drivers...

If you need very accurate automation (of scope FX or synths) there is (yet) no usefull DAW,
but that's a scope problem (VSTIM is unuseable for me - so far).

[dawman]

Don't mind me Janni, I'm just a miserable old Bastard who is pissed he never learned to make DAW's or plug ins.
Jeez I could have retired with just a picture of a CS80 with some extra Super BP Filters and worthy Ring Modulator with an iPad Ribbon Controller..................

[Janni]

I like your style, Jimmy!

[Merkury]

I think software developers are geniuses.
As smart as Cellular manufacturers...
Where else can you release products that when they don't work, you can blame the PC, or the weather and yet still get paid...?
ProTools 10 is being cheered on as a new breakthrough because it now has realtime volume features..............Brilliant.....what a concept.

Why build hardware...? You need a manufacturing facility, employees, insurance for them since they are helpless in the world without divine intervention, your shit has to actually work.....etc. What a drag, and then if the product is good, nobody needs you anymore since you created something so nice.

Software allows you to sit at home and post a jpeg. of some large building like Steinberg or Logic. You can pretend this facility is the source of your overhead, therefore justifying the yearly " upgrades " that really address bugs left behind. Have scientists in white coats and HAZMAT suits in videos handling the DVD's as they take them to anti static rooms for further QC and inspection before released...............Yeah right.

I remember when DAW's were using the names of precious metals and elements, but then they had to switch to numbers as they were running out of the various rare gems.
Iridium would have been nice, but how many serfs have ever heard of that meteor based element....
Then came the numbers.........1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11........WOW.....and they still sell shit that doesn't work....

But most importantly is if the DAW can nullfy. Machines are so superior to flawed humans, so to hell with good ears, and learning how to really mix and be creative, watch the scientific tests and make sure the pictures of real gear in your LCD dont have blurry edges, etc. and you'll be just fine. But remember to save another 1-200 bucks for your yearly fees to fix what they fucked up and left in the last version.


DAWS are Great.....

You made a good point here.A good example would be Cubase (which I've been using for 10 years,since VST 32).
So it's got this annoying window resize bug,they couldn't fix it in SX,SX2,SX3,CUBASE4,CUBASE5 (last upgrade i bought)

I don't know if they fixed it in C6 ,i don't even care cause I switched to a less famous but MUCH more smart DAW,Mixcraft.What a satisfaction to finally work in a user friendly environment,where everything you need is right in your face,without having to click 15 times while you switch between 5 windows AND the meters are SUPER,and the engine doesn't clip every 5 seconds,which is good,and it's got a hughe amount of headroom !

Now forgive me for being vulgar,but I think people would buy a turd if advertised in the right way,and Cubase it's a great example to me best midi edit ever,but what about all the rest ?

[siriusbliss]

I've been using Samplitude for about 13 years now.
Samplitude loves Scope. Rock solid and everything actually works

Greg

[mausmuso]

I've been using Samplitude for about 13 years now.
Samplitude loves Scope. Rock solid and everything actually works

Greg

I second that Greg.
I have Cubase, Reaper, Record and Samplitude.
My preference nowadays is Sam with Record/Reason by rewire.
I suspect (nothing to prove this) that Sam handles phase better and you hear the results when working with many tracks.
I still use Cubase, but find it is better to export Wavs at the end of the recording phase and mix/master in Sam.
Better Fxs warmer mixes.
maus

[garyb]

if you mix in Scope, the sound of the sequencer isn't really in the equation. in that case, the best one is the one whose recording and editing functions seem most convienient to you. once recorded and edited, playback is directly out for every track, so the sequencer's mix engine isn't really involved.

effectively, they're all the same, just glorified multitrack tape decks.

[Merkury]

I've been using Samplitude for about 13 years now.
Samplitude loves Scope. Rock solid and everything actually works

Greg

I second that Greg.
I have Cubase, Reaper, Record and Samplitude.
My preference nowadays is Sam with Record/Reason by rewire.
I suspect (nothing to prove this) that Sam handles phase better and you hear the results when working with many tracks.
I still use Cubase, but find it is better to export Wavs at the end of the recording phase and mix/master in Sam.
Better Fxs warmer mixes.
maus

To me it's all about the workflow.But yeah,great FXs can make the difference as well ! How do you like Sam's Fxs,are they good ? I've never been a big fan of Cubase's effects and I use SCOPE effects just for monitoring,'cause I need to work quick.....

[siriusbliss]

if you mix in Scope, the sound of the sequencer isn't really in the equation. in that case, the best one is the one whose recording and editing functions seem most convienient to you. once recorded and edited, playback is directly out for every track, so the sequencer's mix engine isn't really involved.

effectively, they're all the same, just glorified multitrack tape decks.

Yeah, but I use it for a lot more things than just tracking ala the ol' school multitracking approach.

I like summing through Scope and back into Samplitude in real-time since I can edit, mix, burn much faster in Samplitude.

I'm a VERY non-linear guy

Greg

edit - and Samplitude's internal efx are very good - especially the light-weight but effective efx bundle included in the new ProX version (coming out today I believe).

[dante]

Samplitude's internal efx are very good - especially the light-weight but effective efx bundle included in the new ProX version (coming out today I believe).

...and there's that free soundcloud version !

But I like spewbase because of VariAudio (which is fantastic for Vocal correction / harmonising eg where the singer didnt originally put any harmonies at all - magically, voila - you can make em and they sound real and accurate) .

And I like Reason 6 due to Alligator (multiband rhythmic gate) now which is great on Pads, vocal snips, drums - just about anything really for adding rhythm to tracks for dance music.

And/or any DAW which can run Kontakt really.

In the end it all goes thru Scope though.

[Chisel]

I've been using my Pulsar II with Ableton Live in XTC mode for years. When I was deciding which DAW to buy, I tried demos of all the most popular ones and for some reason, I just couldn't get into any of the others they way I got into Live. Once I got a XTC project setup, the Pulsar II became almost transparent in the DAW. I say almost, because I still have to toggle the MIDI port when I first launch Live if I'm using MIDI. Although, these days I'm using mostly sofftware and the hardware I do use sends MIDI over USB, so most of the time I don't even have to do this. Recently I bought a Native Instruments Maschine which I absolutely love for making beats quickly. Of course, I still haven't figured out how to get the XTC plug-ins to load, but that's another thread.

Peace \/
chisel316

[dawman]

Brotha' Man Chisel.................Long time no see. Glad you still are happening.

[Chisel]

Brotha' Man Chisel.................Long time no see. Glad you still are happening.

Thanks! I took a break from making music for awhile, but now I'm back in the game. I bought a Native Instruments Maschine and have Komplete 8 on the way. I just needed to mix things up a bit to get interested again. Maschine definitely accomplished this!

Peace \/
chisel316

[astroman]

I stick with SAW because it's got the most old-fashioned interface of all...
(it's skin-able, but can always resort to the the cheezy wood 'n sweeties look)
but Reaper's Space Ship look isn't too bad either...

cheers, Tom