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Hi, I could do with some good viewpoints on this as ever......!!!

Using Cubase 6 in the VST connections I (think) there is an option for direct monitoring which is greyed out so this can't be accessed/initiated - Is this the same for all you guys? - or is there an option somewhere else that has been dis-engaged either in Cubase or the SFP 5 software?


Other things in Cubase/SFP - I've been using ASIO dest with just two channels open so it would monitor and record the input in Cubase so no problems/mis-understandings there BUT I have increased the number of ASIO dest channels to 4 and with corresponding input busses in Cubase 6 - the problem/mis-understanding here is that when a soft synth is played or a CD via analog source etc... I get the input signal showing in both the input stereo channels derived from the ASIO dest channels(4) please remember this is just one signal arriving in two input busses - I would have thought that the signal would be present in one of these input busses but not both and as much as I've tried I can't knock one of them on the head without dis-engaging one of the input busses by selecting no output in the VST connections.

The other option is to hone my SFP project.....
I hope I have explained this well enough -

just has another play around with this - not so much that I am stuck - just the way Cubase was behaving - or my interpretation of how it was..... ........

I can record the audio even if there are duplicate signals in input bus 1 and input bus 2 because the input that gets recorded has to be defined and armed in the inspector - the duplicate signals are just being monitored - and like mentioned above one of the input busses can be de-selected if need be or the faders lowered right down - I got the hang of most of this just get my head in a spin sometimes..... .........

The greyed out direct monitor option in Cubase may need a little explaining tho.... ......but will look in the manual..........

don't monitor through Cubase unless you are using XTC mode.

monitor on the Scope mixer. Cubase playback is in the Scope mixer. it's all realtime that way.

direct monitoring requires ASIO2 modules, no? anyway, direct monitoring is a way of listening to a standard windows soundcard's input pre software. it's an attempt to limit the effects of latency when recording. why would it be needed when you already have that ability in the routing window?

in cubase "direct monitoring" is achieved by activating the "speaker" icon on the track you are recording on. but it will now have the latency of asio in/out (contrary to monitoring in Scope directly). You can do this with any asio driver, it is a function of the host rather than driver (i think asio 2 has some kind of sync, but i haven't used that).

garyb wrote:don't monitor through Cubase unless you are using XTC mode.

monitor on the Scope mixer. Cubase playback is in the Scope mixer. it's all realtime that way.

direct monitoring requires ASIO2 modules, no? anyway, direct monitoring is a way of listening to a standard windows soundcard's input pre software. it's an attempt to limit the effects of latency when recording. why would it be needed when you already have that ability in the routing window?

Hi Garyb, I do use the ASIO source modules which I mentally refer to as Cubase playback and are outputs in Cubase - The ASIO dest modules I refer to as Cubase record and are inputs in cubase (hope I got that the right way round)----After alot of playing around I use all these above modules in Cubase with Scope and have set up inputs and outputs (not too many) so I can record say a MiniMax routed into the Scope mixer to hear it-----and also routed MiniMax into ASIO dest for record in Cubase-----from here I've set up an audio track and monitored the MiniMax in Cubase via a MIDI track by live play and pressing a little circular switch in the audio track in cubase so I can see some of the minimax signal appear in the audio track then I can record some audio - Is this process "direct monitoring"?

I hope it is.... and the only element in Cubase is to get some audio from MiniMax into an audio track.....

Have located the ASIO 2 dest which are the ones that are needed. inbuilt manual is handy too.....

spacef wrote:in cubase "direct monitoring" is achieved by activating the "speaker" icon on the track you are recording on. but it will now have the latency of asio in/out (contrary to monitoring in Scope directly). You can do this with any asio driver, it is a function of the host rather than driver (i think asio 2 has some kind of sync, but i haven't used that).

I think I've got the direct monitor susssed out now - ASIO 2 source dest modules enable the "direct monitor" option in Cubase which is a tick box and was previously greyed out. After reading the documentation in the help file for Scope I could "punch" in record in Cubase and "punch out" via the transport control and the audio was there in place - If I remember correctly monitoring within Cubase wasn't possible after the direct monitoring option was enabled in the device setup within Cubase.

what is the fascination with direct monitoring?

it's for punchin/out with a standard soundcard. this has never been needed with the Scope environment.

Just learning how to....... ...........then it will be something else that I get fascinated with!!!...........

my opinion is having always a scope project loaded with as many asios you like.
in my case i use 24 stereo asio source and 24 stereo asio dest.
i then have always the sequencer ready to receive 24 stereo channels from the scope mixer stm 2448.
i listen the mix from scope mix out
If i want to listen to sequenser only i have routed it to the last asio source(NO 24) AND FEEDS THE CH24 OF STM2448 but with MX OFF to avoid feedback but i can see the meters leds. the same signal that i see from channel 24 i route it to STM EXT1 so if i select EXT1 from STM2448 talkback page.
This way when in talkback page mix is pressed.. i listen directly from scope mixer. If EXT1 is selected i listen to the seq.
In cubase 6 which i run the demo now.. it is working as i discribed.

In cubase 6 i create an audio channel using it as the finel mix recorder. it is my tape recorder of the project i always record there and the track created is the final stereo track that i will export after. i never export many tracks simultaneously.

This audio track..working as the final stereo recorder will feed the stm mixer channel24...

Now about the other asios from 1 to 23... you can do whatever you like.
I have them in pairs 1audio-2audio, 3audio-4audio, 5audio-6audio...etc... so if i record a scope synth i do it dry and then i will be able to record again to the paired channel the already dry recorded signal but using now effects. same for vocals and analog scope source. 1 channel for the source which comes dry and other channel for recording wet. You can listen to scope reverb for instance but without recording it. just for the singer at the time he records. And after you will decide if it will be the same or modified amount of reverb or other effect you use.

scope mix is much better than cubase mix.
cubase 6 even if it is very capable it cannot be compared to a scope stm mixer.
and if you learn how to use scopes presets.. then you are fine!!'