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Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 2:09 am
by niceboy
I have seen pics people using 3DSP + 6DSP + 15 DSP-CARDS,but we want to use two 15 DSP cards. Need to know if thats possible also .We have the 14/15 with two ADAT.
We saw that SCOPE professional ,and it seems to have 3 ADAT.
If we can use that together with our 14/15 we want to do that .
We want more ADAT and more power.
I seems that the older version SCOPE professional can be used with our 5,1.
Best Regards
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:49 am
by vascomusic
Scope 15-DSP is the old version (not recommended because of some bus architecture flaws).
Scope 14-DSP is the enhanced version.
Both are not in production anymore and only available on second hand market;
http://forums.planetz.com/viewforum.php?f=8 ,
ebay.com etc.
Up to 3 x 14-DSP boards can be connected using S-TDM cables (Intel chipset based motherboard recommended).
Triple ADAT (ADAT Expansion plate) might still be for sale at Sonic Core (send email).
Scope v5.1 (PCI version) can be used with (one or more) 14-DSP boards.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 7:15 am
by astroman
there are 2 versions of the 15 DSP board.
Vasco refers to the very first release which only pops up very rarely on 2nd hand market.
It was extremely expensive and originally included a full commercial developer license, too - and for obvious reasons didn't sell in quantities at all. But it used to habe the 3 Adat ports (afaik).
This board had the so called 'generation one IO' (an attribute only shared by the 4DSP cards).
bla bla for completness:
ALL other boards with 3,6,14 and 15 DSPs are generation two, identifiably by latency settings below 13ms at 44.1k sample rate.
A 'generation one' board would respond with an error in that case.
Of course the test is only valid if it's either the only board or the so-called 'master' in a multi-card setup.
By default the first card detected by BIOS when scanning the slots is set to 'master'.
(this can be overruled by a 'board id' entry in the Scope cset.ini file to avoid re-pluggin the cards)
cheers, Tom
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 7:20 am
by niceboy
vascomusic wrote:Scope 15-DSP is the old version (not recommended because of some bus architecture flaws).
Scope 14-DSP is the enhanced version.
Both are not in production anymore and only available on second hand market;
http://forums.planetz.com/viewforum.php?f=8 ,
ebay.com etc.
Up to 3 x 14-DSP boards can be connected using S-TDM cables (Intel chipset based motherboard recommended).
Triple ADAT (ADAT Expansion plate) might still be for sale at Sonic Core (send email).
Scope v5.1 (PCI version) can be used with (one or more) 14-DSP boards.
Hi Thanks for info
We have one 14/ 15 I have been told and we can use both 5,0 and 5,1 and it has only 2 ADAT.
So the Scope professional is the same as Scope 15 .with 3 ADAT or am I wrong.
Acctually we think about buying only one syncplate and one Triple ADAT (ADAT Expansion plate)
Thats because we saw its possible also but you are saying that two 14/15 DSP can be used in the same time.
Then we will get double DSP and 4 ADAT ( 32 CHANELS )
First we want more ADAT so hopefully we find the Triple ADAT (ADAT Expansion plate) here.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 7:35 am
by Fluxpod
The 15 dsp cards with 3x adat i/o were called Scope SP.It was a "developer all in one product" and usually came in a metall case including the sync plate.It was bundled with the sdk.Not sure if you could get these cards without the sdk license as this was back in 2001 i think.The 3 i/o adat plates are very very rare.Best to buy a second 14 dsp card with standart i/o or plus i/o.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:34 am
by niceboy
Fluxpod wrote:The 15 dsp cards with 3x adat i/o were called Scope SP.It was a "developer all in one product" and usually came in a metall case including the sync plate.It was bundled with the sdk.Not sure if you could get these cards without the sdk license as this was back in 2001 i think.The 3 i/o adat plates are very very rare.Best to buy a second 14 dsp card with standart i/o or plus i/o.
Can we connect thouse two to the new Sonic Core A16 MK-II ( Ferrofish ) with MADI . It has two ADAT 16 ( 32 CHANNELS ). Can we connect to that with our ADAT 8 in some way. All our cards is ADAT 8.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:22 pm
by garyb
afaik, all ADAT connectors are 8 channel. the Ferrofish A16 Mk2 has 2 8 channel ADAT connectors plus MADI. you can connect the ADAT connectors to any Scope card, but not the MADI connector.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 2:08 am
by Warp69
Fluxpod wrote:The 15 dsp cards with 3x adat i/o were called Scope SP.It was a "developer all in one product" and usually came in a metall case including the sync plate.It was bundled with the sdk.Not sure if you could get these cards without the sdk license as this was back in 2001 i think.The 3 i/o adat plates are very very rare.Best to buy a second 14 dsp card with standart i/o or plus i/o.
That's one of the boards I have (although not installed) - it actually had both the Scope SP (Studio) and the Scope DP (Development) software packages - both contains devices and modules never available on later versions.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 3:31 am
by niceboy
garyb wrote:afaik, all ADAT connectors are 8 channel. the Ferrofish A16 Mk2 has 2 8 channel ADAT connectors plus MADI. you can connect the ADAT connectors to any Scope card, but not the MADI connector.
I am confused Ferrofish A16 Mk2 has 2 8 channel ADAT connectors plus MADI
you said ? ? ?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/ferrofish_a16_mk_ii.htm
The only one I can find now has 16 ADAT and the question was about that.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:42 am
by garyb
don't be confused, it's as i said. ADAT is 8 channel. the A16 Mk2 has TWO 8 channel ADAT connectors and MADI. Scope cards and the XITEs have TWO 8 channel ADAT connectors, but no MADI. it's possible that there may be a MADI interface for the XITEs in the future, but it's not available at this time.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:44 pm
by niceboy
garyb wrote:don't be confused, it's as i said. ADAT is 8 channel. the A16 Mk2 has TWO 8 channel ADAT connectors and MADI. Scope cards and the XITEs have TWO 8 channel ADAT connectors, but no MADI. it's possible that there may be a MADI interface for the XITEs in the future, but it's not available at this time.
You are wrong you can see here :
http://www.sonic-core.net/joomla.sonicc ... 22&lang=us
There have been also ADAT 16 Channels for a long time now. Yamaha has it too.
You are also wrong about MADI you can see here :
http://www.sonic-core.net/joomla.sonicc ... 42&lang=us
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 1:43 am
by garyb
ok, i think you misunderstand.
the A16 Mk2 has MADI.
XITEs do not.
the A16 Mk2 is made by Ferrofish.
the XITEs are made by Sonic|Core.
this is a quote from the webpage you linked to:
two ADAT interfaces for 16 channels
which is what i said. btw-that's 16 channels of ADAT TOTAL.
i can easily be wrong. but i do work for Sonic|Core in North America.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:21 am
by niceboy
garyb wrote:
ok, i think you misunderstand.
the A16 Mk2 has MADI.
XITEs do not.
the A16 Mk2 is made by Ferrofish.
the XITEs are made by Sonic|Core.
this is a quote from the webpage you linked to:
two ADAT interfaces for 16 channels
which is what i said. btw-that's 16 channels of ADAT TOTAL.
i can easily be wrong. but i do work for Sonic|Core in North America.
Ok I called them in Germany and I was wrong .I am sorry.It was confused by this
( 32 channel AD/DA converter with MADI and ADAT ) on Sonic Core site.
Also by Yamaha MY16-AT I thought was one ADAT 16 card
and its not working for our mixer AW4416.
So it seems to be useful to have one Ferrofish then.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:45 am
by garyb
ADAT is alwayts 8 channels.
that's what makes it ADAT.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 9:55 am
by niceboy
garyb wrote:ADAT is alwayts 8 channels.
that's what makes it ADAT.
The sync with f.ex TDM ??? of course with Worldclock
Now I want to know which SSL PCI MADI card ,
can be used both in and out in W7 64-bit
SSL MADIXTREME 64 SAYS Software controlled as Input or Output . We want both in and out
http://www.thomann.de/se/search_dir.htm ... i&x=6&y=10
??? It says also PC/MAC, WIN XP/VISTA 32-Bit, MAC OSX 10.4 or 10.5
We have W7 32 och W7 64
SSL MX4 Iis having double connectors but it also says controlled as Input or Output
SSL MADIXTREME 128 is half the price but whats the big difference between them
We also want to know if we connect the MADI card to a HD-TDM,
can we still have our ADAT 24 BIT 48KHZ ADAT interfaces connected to
A16 MK-II Ferrofish A 16 MK-II ADAT/MADI
For example 48KHZ is the highest in AW4416 Sonic Core seems to be abel to go higher
but what about M-AUDIO 2626 If the TDM system has to be Master.
Maybe its not one issue when we converte from ADAT to MADI in A16 MK-II Ferrofish A 16 MK-II ADAT/MADI
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 5:06 pm
by garyb
nice speaking with you on the phone...
afaik, those MADI cards should all be full duplex(work both in and out at the same time).
as we discussed, you can use higher than 48k with the ADAT connections if you use S-MUX(not all ADAT hardware will do S-MUX). the limitation is that you lose half of your ADAT i/o when using S-MUX. if you use samplerates higher than 48khz with MADI and don't use S-MUX, you won't be able to use the ADAT i/o. if you use 44.1k or 48k, your MADI and ADAT i/o can all be synced to the same clock without S-MUX.
i don't know, but it appears that the SSL cards do not work in win7 64bit.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:02 pm
by Warp69
niceboy wrote:Now I want to know which SSL PCI MADI card ,
can be used both in and out in W7 64-bit
SSL MADIXTREME 64 SAYS Software controlled as Input or Output . We want both in and out
http://www.thomann.de/se/search_dir.htm ... i&x=6&y=10
??? It says also PC/MAC, WIN XP/VISTA 32-Bit, MAC OSX 10.4 or 10.5
We have W7 32 och W7 64
SSL MX4 Iis having double connectors but it also says controlled as Input or Output
SSL MADIXTREME 128 is half the price but whats the big difference between them
We also want to know if we connect the MADI card to a HD-TDM
Thomann doesn't have the correct information - you should visit the SSL website instead.
The MADIXtreme 64 and 128 is of course full duplex (you can use In and Out simultaneously) and have drivers for both Win 7 32bit and 64bit.
The MADIXtreme 128 and MX4 use the same PCB board but the MX4 have additional DSP's (and RAM) onboard for realtime effects like Scope.
There're different solutions regarding MADI connections to Avid TDM HD systems :
http://www.avid.com/US/products/HD-MADI
http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/ ... elta-link/
And many others.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 3:49 am
by erminardi
(sorry wrong post in a wrong thread)
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:30 am
by niceboy
Warp69 wrote:niceboy wrote:Now I want to know which SSL PCI MADI card ,
can be used both in and out in W7 64-bit
SSL MADIXTREME 64 SAYS Software controlled as Input or Output . We want both in and out
http://www.thomann.de/se/search_dir.htm ... i&x=6&y=10
??? It says also PC/MAC, WIN XP/VISTA 32-Bit, MAC OSX 10.4 or 10.5
We have W7 32 och W7 64
SSL MX4 Iis having double connectors but it also says controlled as Input or Output
SSL MADIXTREME 128 is half the price but whats the big difference between them
We also want to know if we connect the MADI card to a HD-TDM
Thomann doesn't have the correct information - you should visit the SSL website instead.
The MADIXtreme 64 and 128 is of course full duplex (you can use In and Out simultaneously) and have drivers for both Win 7 32bit and 64bit.
The MADIXtreme 128 and MX4 use the same PCB board but the MX4 have additional DSP's (and RAM) onboard for realtime effects like Scope.
There're different solutions regarding MADI connections to Avid TDM HD systems :
http://www.avid.com/US/products/HD-MADI
http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/ ... elta-link/
And many others.
Re: Need more info about 14/15
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:51 am
by niceboy
niceboy wrote:Warp69 wrote:niceboy wrote:Now I want to know which SSL PCI MADI card ,
can be used both in and out in W7 64-bit
SSL MADIXTREME 64 SAYS Software controlled as Input or Output . We want both in and out
http://www.thomann.de/se/search_dir.htm ... i&x=6&y=10
??? It says also PC/MAC, WIN XP/VISTA 32-Bit, MAC OSX 10.4 or 10.5
We have W7 32 och W7 64
SSL MX4 Iis having double connectors but it also says controlled as Input or Output
SSL MADIXTREME 128 is half the price but whats the big difference between them
We also want to know if we connect the MADI card to a HD-TDM
Thomann doesn't have the correct information - you should visit the SSL website instead.
The MADIXtreme 64 and 128 is of course full duplex (you can use In and Out simultaneously) and have drivers for both Win 7 32bit and 64bit.
The MADIXtreme 128 and MX4 use the same PCB board but the MX4 have additional DSP's (and RAM) onboard for realtime effects like Scope.
There're different solutions regarding MADI connections to Avid TDM HD systems :
http://www.avid.com/US/products/HD-MADI
http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/ ... elta-link/
And many others.
Its a misunderstanding here I think
Avid TDM HD was maybe someting else. I ment to connect to a Venue board or one other board with MADI
and SSL just told me that almost everyone uses 48KHZ.
If its so we then maybe can connect two ferrofish to a MADI board ,and that gives 32 channels.
Is theire annything more we need or maybe we need to buy cards for their boards also to be connected with MADI