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I need one expansion card with worldclock in and out for my DSP 14/15, and if there is a name, or product specification for it ,I want to know that then.

the thing is called Sync-Plate, looking like this.
You WILL need it only in case you integrate the Scope system into an environment that's wordclock based and doesn't provide any other digital IO you could slave the Scope card to.
Or the other way round, but it's hard to imagine what you want to sync to Scope that isn't digitally connected...
Wordclock is NOT 'better' by default (or heritage), in fact it's rather the opposite, unless you have a VERY high quality dedicated clock.
That plate is often looked for, but in most cases it turns out people just overlooked existing sync capabilities.

cheers, Tom

astroman wrote:the thing is called Sync-Plate, looking like this.
You WILL need it only in case you integrate the Scope system into an environment that's wordclock based and doesn't provide any other digital IO you could slave the Scope card to.
Or the other way round, but it's hard to imagine what you want to sync to Scope that isn't digitally connected...
Wordclock is NOT 'better' by default (or heritage), in fact it's rather the opposite, unless you have a VERY high quality dedicated clock.
That plate is often looked for, but in most cases it turns out people just overlooked existing sync capabilities.

cheers, Tom

Thank you very much .

I must have one now.

I am trying to call them now

Best Regards Bjorn

niceboy wrote:

astroman wrote:the thing is called Sync-Plate, looking like this.
You WILL need it only in case you integrate the Scope system into an environment that's wordclock based and doesn't provide any other digital IO you could slave the Scope card to.
Or the other way round, but it's hard to imagine what you want to sync to Scope that isn't digitally connected...
Wordclock is NOT 'better' by default (or heritage), in fact it's rather the opposite, unless you have a VERY high quality dedicated clock.
That plate is often looked for, but in most cases it turns out people just overlooked existing sync capabilities.

cheers, Tom

Thank you very much .

I must have one now.

I am trying to call them now

Best Regards Bjorn

What is it that you are saying

Its no good ,if we dont have a good clock.

We are going to buy one if our AW 4416 clock is not good enough

as you mentioned.

We have 4 computers all with ADAT + Yamaha AW16 as one external Master ,

but now we are putting in one converter from ADAT to MADI also

dunno the Yamaha - but (imho) I'd rather not compare it's clock to dedicated devices like Nanoclock or BigBen - after all it's focus is recording...
Never did a deep examination or serious A/B-ing on my system, but I remember noticing a difference after I set set my clock master to an RME HDSP 9652. I alwasys considered the iTunes release of Marianne Faithful's Easy Come - Easy Go album as one of their 'better' releases.
But with the new card encoding artifacts were noticable to a slightly annoying degree.
That card has no converters itself and nothing else was changed in the system, Scope doing the DA job.
... or maybe myself had an extra attentive day...
at least I wasn't expecting anything at all, as it was just was only a replacement an older RME card which was supposed to be equal in clock processing, but just didn't support XP kernel streaming for multimedia stuff.

cheers, Tom

Does the AW 4416 come with digital adat as standardor is that via expansion? If standard why try with adat sync (if possible with this unit) and see how that sounds to your ears. If it's an expansion then the question I would ask myself would be; which will cost more/provide greater functionality in the studio, the adat expansion or the scope sync plate?

irrelevance wrote:Does the AW 4416 come with digital adat as standardor is that via expansion? If standard why try with adat sync (if possible with this unit) and see how that sounds to your ears. If it's an expansion then the question I would ask myself would be; which will cost more/provide greater functionality in the studio, the adat expansion or the scope sync plate?

The AW4416 has one built in Master Clock set as Master I have been told
but of course the Big been is better quality and RME has one thats probarbly better quality also than AW4416,
but we are just a Band and we are going to connect a converter ADAT to MADI now ,
and we have two Stand Alone computers for Guitars each one with GTR and one Master Computer with SONIC CORE,
+AW4416 for monitoring and listening mainly.
The fours Computer is 64-bit waiting for the Waves-plugins to be upgraded to 64-bit,
but is used in recordings we do ,and also recordings in live set up.
Thats then maybe no need for a better clock if we find one converter that can go back an forwards to HD Pro Tools TDM with MADI,
We will maybe be abel to use their clock-master.
We get very good sound in smaller places doing almost Mastering to stereo with our Sonic.
Its strang though that the TDM people are doing all their Feedback analogly still.
If they do it at all.We are happilly doing a lot of feedback in Sonic Core.
Our monitors EV in earhight is needed even using analog utputs on stage.
If we need one better clock for smaller places where other Bands still using mic into loudspeaker tecnich.We use GTR on line
Even then we do our own feedback.
Please tell us then.

I only brought up the point about clock quality in case(!) you look for a sync plate because you expect wordclock sync to be an improvement over Adat slaving... as many folks seem to do...
If one of your Adat slaved computers has 1 Adat Out free, then you can hook Scope to it as slave of the slave - and don't need any sync plate at all.
Double-slaving is a valid option (within reasonable connector length an quality).

Considering your setup... (if GTR stands for Guitar Rig) then a higher clock quality would be a pure waste of resources.
Don't get me wrong: the program is useful and if fed through some analog gear (which at least the physical speakers of the PA will provide) it can do really nice tones. But it's far from a high quality processor (imho).
It would probably live up even more if you send it through some old 12bit conversion units (like those small Lexicon processors had...)
I have the IKM Ampeg SVX piece of crap myself for bass - it DOES rock, unless it's about an ultra-transparent hifi sound. But who'd use an Ampeg for that anyway ?
And I usually feed my iPad through guitar amp simulations to wash the sterile digital soundprint away...

cheers, Tom

astroman wrote:I only brought up the point about clock quality in case(!) you look for a sync plate because you expect wordclock sync to be an improvement over Adat slaving... as many folks seem to do...
If one of your Adat slaved computers has 1 Adat Out free, then you can hook Scope to it as slave of the slave - and don't need any sync plate at all.
Double-slaving is a valid option (within reasonable connector length an quality).

Considering your setup... (if GTR stands for Guitar Rig) then a higher clock quality would be a pure waste of resources.
Don't get me wrong: the program is useful and if fed through some analog gear (which at least the physical speakers of the PA will provide) it can do really nice tones. But it's far from a high quality processor (imho).
It would probably live up even more if you send it through some old 12bit conversion units (like those small Lexicon processors had...)
I have the IKM Ampeg SVX piece of crap myself for bass - it DOES rock, unless it's about an ultra-transparent hifi sound. But who'd use an Ampeg for that anyway ?
And I usually feed my iPad through guitar amp simulations to wash the sterile digital soundprint away...

cheers, Tom

GTR stands for the Waves GTR Ground and is used a lot in TDM also as far as I can understand.

It is much better than Guitar Rig

We do feedback mostly on the Rythmguitars but sometimes also on the Sologuitars

astroman wrote:I only brought up the point about clock quality in case(!) you look for a sync plate because you expect wordclock sync to be an improvement over Adat slaving... as many folks seem to do...
If one of your Adat slaved computers has 1 Adat Out free, then you can hook Scope to it as slave of the slave - and don't need any sync plate at all.
Double-slaving is a valid option (within reasonable connector length an quality).

Considering your setup... (if GTR stands for Guitar Rig) then a higher clock quality would be a pure waste of resources.
Don't get me wrong: the program is useful and if fed through some analog gear (which at least the physical speakers of the PA will provide) it can do really nice tones. But it's far from a high quality processor (imho).
It would probably live up even more if you send it through some old 12bit conversion units (like those small Lexicon processors had...)
I have the IKM Ampeg SVX piece of crap myself for bass - it DOES rock, unless it's about an ultra-transparent hifi sound. But who'd use an Ampeg for that anyway ?
And I usually feed my iPad through guitar amp simulations to wash the sterile digital soundprint away...

cheers, Tom

We did not think in thouse terms of tonequality at all. We have that tonquality, but if we buy one SSL converter to MADI from ADAT ,we will use worldclock to sync with TDM , and thats why we want one syncplate also for our Sonic Core hopefully expanded with one more 15 DSP .



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