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This SCOPE product !!! one can not believed it's a product from 1990's yet it's so functional & so powerful.unbelieverble
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that's what i think, too...

Yep, and the XITE and forthcoming hardware wil probably let us enjoy the platform for at least another 10 years from now! (and the old hardware is still very usable these days, in fact I can't imagine NOT using them anymore )

okantah wrote:This SCOPE product !!! one can not believed it's a product from 1990's yet it's so functional & so powerful.unbelieverble
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unbelieverble indeed!

Greg

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i bought my first pulsar1 in the year 2000, and i'm still using it after i upgraded 3 times my PC...
oh, and now the first baby has some brother and sister... a luna and a scope SRB!

yes, Scope is just unbeatable in 2008. You are right, that's technically unbelievable but true ! Xite is, to me, one of the best investment in 2008 because it offers all what we need for music (now and later) : a tremendous power (nobody has offered yet), rooting possibilities, many plugins (for mixing but also live and composing), preamp... As for future needs, developpers will just have to create new plugins ...

And agust is drawing near ... hope there won't be too much delay (I prefer a reliable Xite though.... even if it means a release in august...)

I was a bit too xited when I wrote this review back in 2003 at sonicstate (Victor):

http://www.sonicstate.com/digital/comme ... 75&catid=5

but for sure I was right writing this: " It's an old system now, but i think will live another 5 years at least in the actual form".
Well, we're after 5 years now... I'm happy

For me SCOPE makes my preferred way of making music ITB of a high standard that other virtual and hardware tools i tried could not match. The work enviroment/flow and sound quality of SCOPE perfectly fits my music (or is atleast close to perfection and as good as it gets ATM). I think SCOPE is gear that is here to stay, it just needed to fight threw the beginning stages of computer-music revolution and other troubles. It survived thus far. Milton Hershey who started Hershey's Chocolate filed Bankruptcy several times before actually being a success, That's how the ball bounces sometimes. As long as your still hanging around fighting and really have something to fight with is all that matters. XITE-1 and current SCOPE cards i'm sure will be around for a longtime to come doing their part in continueing the SCOPE and also prove to be hardcore weapons for war to many sleepers.

I have my Luna II, "Pulsar XTC" and later "Pulsar II" since 2001 and I'm still satisfied with it, still love the
sound of the synths, the handling, but a slight redesign would be great (e. g. preset handling in XTC-Mode).

For an "older" product it's still up to date - yeah!!!

Me too, I started in 2001 with a pulsar II and nowadays I've got 3 Pulsar II cards, I'm still thinking about swapping one card for a big card, because 18 DSP's is quite comfortable for me, but sometimes I wish I had a little bit more DPS power when doing a bigger project. (yeah I Know, DSP addiction )
Other than that Scope is still a uniqe and powerful platform.

Maybe this is not the right topic to mention, but I hope that the Soniccore Platform 5, or later (5.5? 6?) will address the following shortcomings from the otherwise perfect made platform:

- Midi & Automation
The midi handling is cumbersome IMO, can be buggy in certain setups (luckily not mine), limited amount of automatable parameters. Wouldn't it be handy if USB midi devices can be recognized in the project and selected from the I/O menu? Automation data can then be routed to any device in your project.
I heard some people mention OSC automation. I don't know much of this protocol yet but if it's technically possible to realize this, it could be great.

- Bugfixes for current stock devices (STM mixers)

- Quick copy inserts with its settings to another channel (don't know if it's technically possible) (seems a lot faster than save certain settings as a preset, and then load that preset inside another channel)

- Fix the "Save as startup project" bug, where the saved project won't load automaticly at startup.

- Ability to swap the order of several inserts inside an insert slot (don't know if it's technically possible)

Other than that, I'm still happy the way it is

ChampionSound wrote:Wouldn't it be handy if USB midi devices can be recognized in the project and selected from the I/O menu? Automation data can then be routed to any device in your project.

Yeah, that would be really nice. We've mentioned that suggestion a few times now. OSC would be cool, but not as important as the USB midi device handling imo.

Shroomz~> wrote:

ChampionSound wrote:Wouldn't it be handy if USB midi devices can be recognized in the project and selected from the I/O menu? Automation data can then be routed to any device in your project.

Yeah, that would be really nice. We've mentioned that suggestion a few times now. OSC would be cool, but not as important as the USB midi device handling imo.

for USB MIDI, just use MIDIyoke to route the USB port into Scope MIDI modules.

Greg

I can already do it in midi/audio sequencers & can use something else like MIDIyoke as you suggest if I need to, but that slightly detracts from the beauty of Scope's midi routing capabilities. If I could boot my computer with Scope as I do & route a usb midi channel to anywhere I want without using an app other than Scope for that purpose, then I'd surely be better off. Scope doesn't need a separate software midi patchbay as it already performs this task. It just needs to support all of the installed midi devices on a system. Please don't take these comments as moaning or whining though because I'm a very happy Scoper & think we have something that's practically unbeatable.

Shroomz~> wrote:I can already do it in midi/audio sequencers & can use something else like MIDIyoke as you suggest if I need to, but that slightly detracts from the beauty of Scope's midi routing capabilities. If I could boot my computer with Scope as I do & route a usb midi channel to anywhere I want without using an app other than Scope for that purpose, then I'd surely be better off. Scope doesn't need a separate software midi patchbay as it already performs this task. It just needs to support all of the installed midi devices on a system. Please don't take these comments as moaning or whining though because I'm a very happy Scoper & think we have something that's practically unbeatable.

i agree, but it takes a bit of software(midi yoke) to communicate with the hardware(scope midi driver and usb midi driver).there's no way for Scope to be software inside the os when it's one of the hardware pieces, as i understand it.

Scope is such inspired engineering, both hardware and software, it is the Stradivarius of computer music systems. I'm not optimistic about the longevity of SonicCore, given the way they treat developers, but even if they goes under, there will be people who will continue to develop for Scope - perhaps even more when SC is gone than now.

If you have Scope cards you should keep them. Treat them well, keep them cool in the computer, and they will provide the best, the most pristine sound for a very, very long time. Like the Strad, Scope will never become obsolete.

garyb wrote:i agree, but it takes a bit of software(midi yoke) to communicate with the hardware(scope midi driver and usb midi driver).there's no way for Scope to be software inside the os when it's one of the hardware pieces, as i understand it.

That's not really correct Gary since Scope is hardware & software. In a sense neither would exist as we know it without the other. I can think of a few examples which suggest this is the case, but I won't go into them all. Basically, I don't think Scope would need to communicate directly with midi devices, but rather through the OS & that communication channel already seems to be open (Scope midi driver).

garyb wrote:

Shroomz~> wrote:I can already do it in midi/audio sequencers & can use something else like MIDIyoke as you suggest if I need to, but that slightly detracts from the beauty of Scope's midi routing capabilities. If I could boot my computer with Scope as I do & route a usb midi channel to anywhere I want without using an app other than Scope for that purpose, then I'd surely be better off. Scope doesn't need a separate software midi patchbay as it already performs this task. It just needs to support all of the installed midi devices on a system. Please don't take these comments as moaning or whining though because I'm a very happy Scoper & think we have something that's practically unbeatable.

i agree, but it takes a bit of software(midi yoke) to communicate with the hardware(scope midi driver and usb midi driver).there's no way for Scope to be software inside the os when it's one of the hardware pieces, as i understand it.

Hence why people jumped all over me for requesting a USB driver module so many years ago.

I see the distinction between a wav/asio/MIDI driver (OS based), and an external hardware driver. But we DO have an external soundcard module, so hmmmmmmmm......

Greg

the software part is only loading instructions to the dsps, which are external processors, and a visual representation of what is going on inside the dsps. no processing in Scope is done in the cpu's world, that why a driver is needed to connect to card, the os, and the app which runs inside the os. in any case, an additional program would be required. it would need to be patched the same as midiyoke, which is about as simple a solution possible.

a driver cannot connect to another driver directly. an app in the middle is required.

i'm not against the idea, it's just not very feasible. did the external soundcard module really work? as i understand it, it used directx, not very good for high-speed midi or audio...

garyb wrote:no processing in Scope is done in the cpu's world,

You're probably about 95% correct there.