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I have read my manuals and cannot find a way to do this after several attempts it appears as though I need some help.

When performing, your seperate instruments w/ effects must be a single image. For example I use dynamics and effects, combined w/ the chosen notes, and these change in real time causing me to play differntly.

I want to try to record my instruments dry, but have the luxury of monotoring them w/ the effects while I play the instruments.

I tried Wolf's 16 Channel Mixer, and had the Mix Out L & R sent to the Destination Modules for monitoring, and Bus outs went directly to VDAT. But after trying this a few times I keep getting FX on the VDAT tracks.

I was hoping to Master the dry tracks back through the channels where the effects could be applied, and a better mix might be attained.

Once I have the recorded tracks done to my liking the experiments can go forward.



Thanks For Your Help In Advance.

i guess its a matter of dsps (for now )

well just duplicate your tracks to a second mixer, keeping the tracks dry..

Surely there's another way?

When using the Bus out to record it doesn't record the AUX's effect, only the insert effects, which leads me to believe that monitoring w/ effects while recording can be accomplished in the same way an elaborate hardware mixer can.

But multiple mixers and multiple outs from GSIF would work as a last resort if the routings cannot be found. I can take each out from the GSIF module twice and send 2 stereo sends to 2 stereo in's of the mixer for each instrument, then bus the dry ones to VDAT where I wouldn't hear the dry tracks, just the wet ones.

Thanks For Your Solution,

I Still Think This Should Be Done w/ 1 x Mixer, and single outputs from the GSIF Module, but I grow weary of experimenting, when I should be recording.

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Surely there's another way?.....I Still Think This Should Be Done w/ 1 x Mixer

Jimmy,

FP10/6 mixer. Use the Record Channel(just below the main preset icon top right of mixer). Your synth is monitored with rest of track normally thro, say, FP Channel S1 with FX sends & inserts, whatever. Select S1(pre) from the Record Channel drop down list. The dry signal of FP S1 will come out the RecL & RecR outputs of FP mixer. So big mix with synth&FX comes out of FP's main OutL & OutR to Scope Analogue Outs , & dry synth comes out of Record Channel's outs to a couple of VDAT in's.

Well, that's the theory. Should work.

ns

there's a lot of "other ways" (and thats whats make this platform what it is, 10 years in the making )

and to be honest you simplify things quite a bit, which is why i purpose another mixer. For a "dry" recording of what you do, you would still need comp/eq for the signals. if tou do that pre-mixer, you save a lot of time double-routing them to a "rec" mixer simoulatiously (oh, and u use the same DSP as well). It will still be a question of setting up levels etc, but you allready have the essentials from the live project.

its not allways plug-and-play

too difficult.

the easy way is, either use direct outs on the mixer to go to the recorder OR, send the source to the mixer AND to the recorder. any output can feed as many inputs as you like. inputs however, can only receive from a single output.....

garyb wrote:the easy way is, either use direct outs on the mixer to go to the recorder OR, send the source to the mixer AND to the recorder. any output can feed as many inputs as you like. inputs however, can only receive from a single output.....

With respect gary, the real easy way is to use the Recording Channel on the FP mixer which Jimmy has. This channel allows most any audio stream within the mixer to be isolated, pre or post, and sent to a separate pair of outputs. This is exactly the sort of situation which Mehdi included this feature for. It is so simple.

ns

Well the FP106C it is then.

I'll let you know how it goes.

I did succeed w/ NTNothing's dual GSIF output suggestion,, but even then the buss's in Wolf's mixer still bled over to the master outs. I am reading the manuals, which all are on pdf's on my desktop, another big plus w/ software recording. Everything is in my face, I just need to learn to open my eyes better.

The desired result was excellent even w/ the bleedover of the busses to the mains.

This is the way you are suppose to record, at least for the sake of adding the effects during mastering.

I also learned that using CW's Auto Pan at full depth might sound great while you are recording but when I played back the effect , that was recorded into Reaper for conversion to mp3., I found it needed to be dropped in depth from 127 to 52 . The mp3. playback sounds totally different to me also, which still baffles me.

I kicked up the kps. from 128 to 192, and also 256. It seems that there is a slight difference in sound and MB's also.

Funny thing though, I used SpaceF's 3LFO device to replace the CW Auto Pan, and the panning effect played back as it sounded during the recording. No dropping of the depth parameter? &^(*&^%


Thanks Again My Brotha's from another Motha'.

I still find it fascinating that chaps from across the globe, can help me instantly.

So many people here never remembered the days before emails and the internet. They only know the frustration of no communications when their DAW is down. I say to all who have been around a while, just think of the online phone service where you waited for 1 hour for a fix that wouldn't even work.

This forum and the internet literally make global support a non issue.

nightscope wrote:

garyb wrote:the easy way is, either use direct outs on the mixer to go to the recorder OR, send the source to the mixer AND to the recorder. any output can feed as many inputs as you like. inputs however, can only receive from a single output.....

With respect gary, the real easy way is to use the Recording Channel on the FP mixer which Jimmy has. This channel allows most any audio stream within the mixer to be isolated, pre or post, and sent to a separate pair of outputs. This is exactly the sort of situation which Mehdi included this feature for. It is so simple.

ns

likewise, respect due. that would be using the direct outs....errr, recording outs, fine. anyway, it's easily done.

Mehdi's Mixer works great this way, but I need multiple tracks live.

Just recording a stereo track , and then having to record another track w/ that defeats the purpose of the Live way I am recording.

I have a Vocal sample and a Bone Flute on FP106C's stereo channel 2 & 3. The Rhodes is on stereo channel 1. I play all three parts live, and believe it or not to multitrack the performance the way I record ( live no click ), takes away from the live feel of the performance. I will post the recording when I am done in a while.

I know I am a freak, but my left hand is quite good for a white guy, and I can't get the feel or sync of recording one hand, then the other. I have played live and recorded this way for years, and it is easier and sounds better when I can comp right, push bass left. The associated feel and rhythm are extremely difficult to try and duplicate any other way.

So Next To Nothing's approach will have to do for now, until I figure out a way to achieve the desired results.

There's no way to record this dry out of the record outs ( stereo ) and try to add different effects per instrument.


Off I Go Into The Wild Blue Yonder Again.


BTW Brotha' Man Stardust, Lame is lossy 4 sure, but is a great way to bench multi-threaded apps and CPU's.

I still hear a major difference from VDAT to mp3.........major.

I will be so happy to use XITE-1 @ 96K Live, and have VDAT as my sequencer. Sounds funky, but it's sound is so beautiful to my ears, a masterpiece that I plan on using to give those bored enough to listen to me perform, their money's worth.


So It Shall Be Written,....So It Shall Be Done.


JV

garyb wrote:that would be using the direct outs....errr, recording outs, fine. anyway, it's easily done.

Yeah, either way it's easy in Scope.

ns

PS(after reading Jimmy's last post). Apparently not so easy. Sorry, I thought you just needed to record a single track dry while monitoring it with FX.

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Mehdi's Mixer works great this way, but I need multiple tracks live.

So you need to record multiple tracks onto individual VDAT tracks dry while monitoring them with FX?

The FP individual track outputs all down the right hand side of the mixer, not the main outs or recording outs, will have any insert FX added. But not the send FX's it appears. So you could route the individual track outs from FP to individual VDAT in's. But you could only use send FX while you were recording, insert FX would be added to the individual out signals. Monitor thro main out's.

ns

stardust wrote:Amazing. There seem to be many roads to Rome. This gear is incredible. It allows different work flows. Amazing.

I concurr. This system is the closest I have used that comes close to a decent analogue studio. And I have owned a whopper in days gone by. Only with Scope you ain't trailing round with patchbay leads round your neck and crawling under desks trying to remember what goes where. Then there's the bills.

It is a bitch,

ns

its the easiest handeling bitch around

i almost miss a device which makes you virtually miss a meter.

Well I found a workaround that yields better results.

The pics below show what M.O. I used. ( Modus Operandi )

The mp3's quality is better when recording dry, and mastering w/ effects.

That still doesn't change the torture I endur from the beautiful sound of VDAT to this.................this conversion.

Thank God I have VDAT to use w/ XITE-1.

I can't bare listening to mp3's very long as they are so dull sounding to me.

I have heard some really decent sounding mp3's for demos on developers site's, and here at the Music thread. I even had one that was decent, so it's probably the way I am using the gear, and will figure out the workarounds as I record more.

Thanks For The Help Guys.

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... highlight=

That is a good site. I use to read it at the library years ago while studying about Creamware and PC reviews.

One other thing to take in here also.

By having the 4 x AUX's of Wolf's 32 / 16 carry the effects, those signals will go to the Rec Outs wet, and the same signals dry, will go to VDAT via his 4 x BUS design. These 4 x Bus's can be used to group an entire drum mix w/o effects to VDAT. Once I get those tracks recorded I can master w/ precision. But this helps me record my synths dry, the way they need to be while listening to the effect live, as it does influence the way I choose my notes and dynamics.

The highest kbps levels will be used, but will shorten the recordings due to thier high MB's size...............Oh well....better sound wins hands down.

I was shocked to see you use Hockey jargon..................Hattrick !!

Now you're really speaking my language.

Long before I was called Scope4live, up until I was about 30 something, it was " Body Slam ". I use to come off the bench w/o gloves.

Even at 320 KBps @ 48000KHz mp3's just suck.

Maybe there's a way to compensate this loss.

I spent hours last evening w/ SSD experiments at my friends studio, and hours recording a new beautiful Grand Piano library.

It's just heartbreaking to hear a WAV. from VDAT butchered when converting to mp3.

I hate wasting time and trying to get mp3.'s w/ any detail for playback is just a no go.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to retain the magic sound of VDAT while using a conversion utility, I would love to buy or try it.

VDAT has spoiled me.

AAC encoding in I-Tunes is pretty nice.

once again, the signal from the source can go to BOTH the mixer AND the VDAT at the same time, if that's what you want to do. this would allow monitoring and mixing with all the effects you want, as well as recording only the dry signal.