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please tips studio recording professional
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:46 pm
by nunziata
Prejudice believe scope dsp both professional?
Stable for a professional recording studio?
Focusing on exchange or RME.
Thanks
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:10 am
by garyb
mine runs for days.
if the computer's hardware and software environments are properly setup it is rock stable. there are a few minor bugs(even $40,000 pro tools hd has a few minor bugs) and things that one can do to force the computer to crash, like shutting down scope before shutting down the sequencer, but there are no showstopper bugs and the behavior is reliable.
the main windows tweak i make is to go to system properties/advanced/performance settings/adjust for best performance. i turn off system restore and automatic updates because there's no reason to have cycle stealing applications running unless absolutely necessary. DAWs in a professional environment don't need programs added and removed at a whim when there's always work to be done. they have proven, needed applications only, and they never have cracks! cracked programs only assure flakey behavior. also, DAWs in a professional environment, don't need to be on the internet.
the other key item is that you CAN NOT have shared irqs with the scope card, with the exception of certain system controllers, which can be tolerated. you must chage the slot or disable usb or firewire controllers(in the device manager) which insist on sharing an irq with the card. this is no problem. there are normally way more devices running on a modern motherboard than you will ever need. most motherboards have 4 more usb controllers than necessary for a DAW. you can always use a pci-e firewire card if firewire is needed and irq sharing forces you to disable a firewire controller. the scope card is worth the trouble, be patient. rme cards will not tolerate an irq shared with an active firewire device either.
Re: please tips studio recording professional
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:25 am
by nightscope
nunziata wrote:Stable for a professional recording studio?
The main drawback, hopefully to be rectified but not yet announced, of the Scope environment is the lack of any comprehensive automation. I do not consider 119 CC's on 1 midi channel even slightly sufficient and a bit of a joke. That's the big limitation of mixing using Scope mixers rather than using a console.
I have yet to see a Scope system in any major recording studio used 24/7 to record a constant supply of artists.
ns
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:49 pm
by garyb
this is true. the controller issue is the ONLY thing lacking for high-end pro studios imho.
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:10 pm
by nightscope
garyb wrote:the ONLY thing
Yes. The boffins @ S-Core will hopefully be slaving away feverishly. An X-Cite with little or no decent control would be like a Ferrari without a steering wheel.
Massa's expression says it all.
ns
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:44 pm
by husker
what about Wolf's mixer with MCU support?
http://wolf-audio.com/wad/devices/Entri ... Mixer.html
that's one of the many beauties of scope, there is room for 3rd parties to come in and solve the problem
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:08 pm
by nightscope
husker wrote:what about Wolf's mixer with MCU support?
I have the Wolf Uber-Mixer. It ate my cards in MCU mode. It is not called a Wolfie for nothing.
Wolf's mixer is great and a valiant attempt to advance the cause of decent automation in Scopeland. I have no complaints. It's time will come. However, it shouldn't really be up to Wolf to provide workable automation for Scope.
Some of the best 3rd party devices are very resource hungry and snaffle DSP's and/or PCI bandwidth leaving no room for the other many great 3rd party hungry ones. Timeworks reverbs have no equal in the realm of software plates and rooms. I have 30 DSP's and yet I can't run even two of the baby versions together with spacef's mixers even when a project is only half full. Even after optimization everything just conks out. Again, no complaints. I can wait. These uber-devices will have space to frollick. The wide open plains appear on the horizon.
The big daddy of all DSP's approacheth.
ns
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:13 pm
by siriusbliss
nightscope wrote:garyb wrote:the ONLY thing
Yes. The boffins @ S-Core will hopefully be slaving away feverishly. An X-Cite with little or no decent control would be like a Ferrari without a steering wheel.
Massa's expression says it all.
ns
Agreed! (love Massa and F1).
RME is just a good audio card with some routing capabilities, but Scope is a whole other animal with vast routing, excellent effects, and the ability to mix 'outside the box' while being 'inside the box'.
I don't miss automation since some higher-resolution feature was basically promised way back almost 10 years ago. Nowadays the host can handle the automation good enough.
Scope is a great toolset for getting professional results.
stable ????
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:41 pm
by nunziata
my scope I see continually
""""" a COMMUNICATION ERROR WITH SCOPE (BOARD 0) HAS OCCURED .THIS PROBLEM CAN NORMALLY BE CORRECTED BY RELOADING THE DSPS. DO YOU WANT TO TRY THAT?"""
and then
""" IF THIS MESSAGE CONTINUES TO REAPPEAR, PLEASE CONSULT SECTION OF THE MANUAL FOR ADVINCE ON HOW TO HANDLE THIS PROBLEM.
CHOOSE CANCEL TO CHANGE THE PROJECT BEFORE RESELECTING THE SAMPLE FREQUENCY IN THE SAMPLE RATE SETTING"""
impossible work

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:57 pm
by starcorp
how many scope boards do you using? one?
jan
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:25 pm
by capacitor
Let me reword: nunziata you have a couple answers (a good one from Jörgen) in the other thread. I'm interested as well - good to know how to resolve it in the future.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:03 pm
by Mr Arkadin
nunziata, try re-seating the board in the PCI slot, perhaps even cleaning the contacts (but be careful what type of contact cleaner you use).
If you have further problems post a thread in the Problem Solving forum.
[edit]Oh, i see you did already.[/edit]
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:49 pm
by garyb
i haven't looked in that thread, but contacts should be cleaned with a good contact cleaner or 99%pure alchohol.
Thanks for your interest
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:34 am
by nunziata
Thanks for your interest
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:42 am
by siriusbliss
sometimes CAREFULLY using a pencil eraser will help clean the contacts as well.
sometimes using the wrong liquids cause problems later on.
Greg