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Scope & Future
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:12 pm
by Casar
Hi,
I am a prospective buyer of this product, mainly for some of the synthesizers there. The scope homepage hasn´t been updated since 2005! Has this product a future? I already have UAD-1/TC Powercore PCI´s and I don´t really like to have to buy yet another PCI card for running the synths but it seems some on Scope are unique in quality. Any comments??!
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:30 pm
by dawman
The Future Is Now,
Why wait. I use to think the same way until I started using Scope live, and heard the synths, and especially the 3rd party synths from SpaceF, Zarg, etc.
I still use my hardware effects as I cannot tolerate the zippers when using MIDI to control FX from UAD, PoCo, and Scope as well. But Scope's control and routing, have no equal, and the synths Do have an equal, but that damn hardware costs so much money, and I retired much of mine due to the weight of carrying several Anvils.
Once I lost management and my road crew, Scope was the only answer then, 2004. And still remains the only answer. I will break out the Oberheims when Scope dies, and the Body Of Ralf is handed over to the victor.
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:33 pm
by hifiboom
its not the first time I ve seen this picture.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:37 pm
by Tau
Well, for a prospective buyer, you just got one great welcome

that's PlanetZ for you!
Casar, Scope is an excellent product, and quite unique!
First,It's like a shapeshifting hardware unit, you can use for creating sounds, mixing audio streams, recording, or FX... with it's I/Os, it can work totally independent of your sequencer, like a parallel sound universe - and that is different from the UADs.
Second, as for the "future", there are many state-of-the-art Moherboards and CPUs that can still be used with Scope, and proven setups can be found in the Tech talk section of the Forum, from P4 to Quad-Core. The performance of the card will remain the same for many years, as new devices don't necessarily mean more DSP consumption (unlike audio software, that always requires more power) So, all you really need to know is that, at best, you will have to remain using Windows XP or Mac OS9, as there are no new drivers yet for Vista, OSX or Linux.
Third, as for the Scope community, just this week, we had a release of a new mixer (and another one is coming), a special magical FAT distortion device, and of a unique compressor - not to mention the dozens of free devices that appear out of the blue, as well as some great hardware emulations- all great quality and at prices that are sometimes unreasonable... This is very alive, and with so many talented developers, it has no reason to disappeear soon... unless you're talking about the end of the world, of course... In such a case, we'll retire our ships to PlanetZ.
And finally, The Body of Ralf... well, you'll have to figure that one out yourself
Much Peace,
T
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:48 pm
by garyb
good gear like scope is future-proof, see minimoog.....
Re: Scope & Future
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:02 pm
by astroman
Casar wrote:...Has this product a future? I already have UAD-1/TC Powercore PCI´s and I don´t really like to have to buy yet another PCI card for running the synths but it seems some on Scope are unique in quality. ...
well, what is the price of a Minimoog, a SH101, an 808, a 303, a Steinway Grand, a Gibson or a vintage Precision Bass... ?
did anyone ever care if any of these products might have 'a future' ?
in fact some of those have become musical future even though they were past
Scope is what it is and it will always be - and you're correct to assume there is something special with the synths. The Mini and the Prophets are the most trustworthy emulations of the analog hardware available.
The Zarg Solaris plugin will become a hardware Synth real soon, the Zarg QuantumWave is a reincarnation of the famous Waldorf Wave - but lacks a few of the originals nasty features.
The synths are indeed outstanding, but what makes them even more versatile is the seamless integration into a virtual studio.
In Scope you can insert Synths into Synths, you can throw in your own modular patch into a filter slot - or whatever comes to mind.
but beware...
a couple of years ago the poster above (Scope4Live) started with a similiar question like yours...
now he's addicted, buys DSPs by the dozen, tweaks his system even after rehearsals because he can't stop etc... and the only thing to bring him down to earth from time to time is female beauty...
there is no compatibility issue with your current cards and buying the stuff has never been more affordable - with a Scope card and the Synth & Sampler Bundle
cheers, Tom
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:09 pm
by Crickstone
And yes Mr. Tom is right,
Some of us were very very young when we first heard an analog synth, and were stunned and amazed and spent many hours dreaming to have that gut shaking sound...we saved up and bought something that was not quite there, but then we discovered Scope and the butt-shaking feeling we got when we first heard our first LFO swoop like at the end of Lucky Man by ELP.,was what us sold us and we will never turn back. And then it was here in our system, our compter system. Truly amazing. So if you are hesitating then you are not really of our world. Most of us will never tap the power of this system. The lastest and the greatest has been here for awhile and isn't going away anytime soon. Join us on the Scope side...
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:34 pm
by dawman
Did I mention that it's latency live, locks w/ Gigastudio's kernel level MIDI ?
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:47 pm
by hubird
Creamware is now SonicCore, it's runned by Scope employees/developers from the first ours.
They asked us here on Planetz (the most official non-official Scope forum) to be patient, as they need time to reconstruct and make plans.
As kinda warm welkom two synths are released, today the miracolously good-for-it's-price A16 hardware ADDA converter has been spot with a new design, and there were Sc 3rd party releases (DAS, SpaceF, De-Vice), but to be honest -and as said already in this thread- everybody is waiting for the real stuff:
Vista, OSX, PCI-e compatible cards ór God knows an external cardbox.
About OSX, the only sign we got is SC asked for OSX programmers on their website in the past, not sure if still.
I lost patience already some time ago, so at least there's hope again for it.
We live by hope, us wandering people

In the meanwhile, we post some links to stupid or funny Youtube clips, make little or less little arguements with each other, ask people to not ask for a tip to solve a problem in the Tips&Tricks forum, talk about Mobo's (
they love it

), ask for new software which will never be done, spot SPAM, announce unofficial Official Announcements, discuss the existence of God(s), the role of mankind in the earthwarming process, and the right to carry guns
I have two macs, connected via a RME ADAT/Midi interface card.
The older OS9 mac is my 'external box', untill the machine itself collapses

Works perfect, you never stress any system

Still regretting...
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:32 pm
by krizrox
I don't know what the future holds and I don't care. I gave up caring years ago. All I know is that Scope is still the bomb - warts and all. I don't think I could run my business without it. Seriously, I would not be happy with anything else. If there is anything else like it on the market it is either 4 times more expensive or lacking in too many features to be of any use to me.
Like you - they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands. As long as there is a motherboard and OS to support it, I will use it.
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:38 pm
by sunset070
the future is now,new scope product dont have much sense,to have much power jast use 3 scope cards,with 3 scope professional cards you have much power than you have hope,I have 3 scope cards and my projet dont up dsp power over the 2 cards,in the past low latency requaied much cpu power,now with modern system you can get lowest latency 2ms and low with minimal cpu use,the future of scope is now!
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:27 am
by Casar
Thanks for all the comments! I´ll give it some thought and actually there is no slot left for the card in my computer so I´d have to remove one to make it fit. Still, it feels maybe slightly expensive considering I am only looking at it for some of the synths. Does it integrate well with Cubase 4? Do they pop up like traditional VST instruments in the host or do you have to do something extraordinary routing etc?
Thanks!
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:51 am
by Sounddesigner
Casar wrote: it feels maybe slightly expensive considering I am only looking at it for some of the synths.
!
Once you see what all comes with your card if you buy it you'll be thinking you got more then your money's worth. Soniccore is VERY generous with the synths and effects that come with their Project and Professional cards. So generous that actually unless you love large variety there may not be a need to buy another synth once you get the card. You can get the 'Synths n Sampler pack' free with either card plus alot of great stock stuff. SNS by itself list for around $750 at the online shop (sure there is cheaper route to get it but thats its actual price), and it has alot of really good synths in it e.g. Vectron,Prodysey, Minimax,B2003 organ, Pro12, STS5000, etc.. It also has Modular 3 but M3 is also stock plugin with your card. When you look at the worth of everything that comes with your card you may come to the same conclusion that i did "Creamware Scope is the best bang for the buck out here".
I just bought my Creamware Project several months back and my biggest regret is that i did not buy it sooner. It is the best Platform out here. Bar none.
I knew when i bought it there was a risk that Scope may not be further developed but i decided to worry about today and let tomorrow take care of its self. Scope is Windows XP compatible wich means i'll get alot of use out of it (more then my moneys worth), And i believe Soniccore will keep SCOPE alive and bring further updates etc, From their statement i did not get the impression that they where threw with Scope but rather Scope has a new beginning. SCOPE is the King of the jungle and as a cat it has nine lives. After you work with SCOPE awhile and start learning its capability you may not look at it as just another set of tools but see it as its own world for top quality sound creation. and everything else starts to pale when compared to it.
Re: Scope & Future
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:53 am
by pling
Casar wrote:... The scope homepage hasn´t been updated since 2005...
maybe i overlooked something in the comments (then sorry) but
this is the new homepage of the new company, and this one is up to date

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:14 am
by Nebukadneser
It is a shame that the product spesific pages were launched in the first place. Creamware never managed to keep them updated and they looked kind of amateurish, and their existence only undermines every effort to keep the Scope platform alive.
These pages should be removed:
http://scope.creamware.de/
Neb
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:30 am
by garyb
you can use Scope stuff as vsts, but really they're external synths(hardware synths, compressors, delays, etc. run on dsp chips). there is a routing window and mixers. you'd be better off mixing in Scope. the sound is MUCH better(imho) than mixing in Cubase alone(the movie Gladiator was mixed on a Scope card). when using Scope mode, multiple apps and external devices can be combined in REAL time. Scope turns cubase into a virtual hardware multitrack device like a vs880. the in and out jacks show up in Scope's routing window on modules that can be easily wired up in any way you like, just like the real world. as a creative tool, there's none better...
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:22 am
by Casar
I appreciate the thoughts and comments!
I have to understand better how the synths work in the host, I am not an engineer, I make music and want to "rock" and not to F around with complexities. If stuff takes to much time, I go eat a pizza instead, I don´t like knobs that much. But I do love great sounds! And to me some demos suggest really great sound potential...so I feel a bit cut in the middle right now. Thanks!
Surely, I would survive even if I made a bad investment but I can´t stand losing time with stuff that turns out to suck yet more time of me, just to get things going. Will I have an easy time to dial in the instruments and use midi as normal in Cubase?
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:49 am
by hifiboom
scope is the most advanced and complex audio platform system available.
Complxity doesn`t mean that its not easy to use. You just have to understand how it works one time.
Its very intuitive. There are very good manuals, but the workflow is explaining itself.
If you can handle the complexity of cubase, Im pretty sure, you will do understand scope quite easy too.
Think of connecting a cd-player to your home amplifier with a cable, thats basically what you do with virual cables in scope.
route your guitar, or asio source into an virtual guitar amp or into a virtual scope mixers channel using the aux to add reverb.
What ever you think is possible in a real hardware studio, its up to you to reconstruct in scope.

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:57 am
by dawman
I perform live, and have no time for fuckin' around, that's why I use it.
Cubase 'eh? No wonder you are leary. That app is a waste of time.
You still have to mix in Scope for a better sound.
I am old school, so I use hardware sequencers, 2 inch tape, and multitrack for syncing when vocals are necessary.
Scope,.....best synths
Gigastudio / Kontackt .........best sample players / editors
Audio / MIDI sequencer apps.............that's what takes the fun out of performance.
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:04 pm
by garyb
with all due respect, you'll help yourself to drop that "i'm not an engineer" attitude. engineers are the guys who run studios. one becomes an engineer through patience and study, the same as becoming a musician, so you possess the needed skills. if you own and run your personal system you MUST become an engineer to some degree or you won't be able to get true satisfaction out of your gear. otherwise, you should spend your money on time in a studio with a competent engineer.
by learning how the gear works, you won't get too much immediate satisfaction, but the long term satisfaction will be a thousand fold....
also, once you understand how it works, Scope is the most dead-stupid simple program ever...