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I have noticed that after analyzing and trying many trial software apps along the years, particularly from Computer Music magazine which I bought for quite a few years, I have always come to love German made software.

It is somehow curious this coincidence that always repeats itself: my sequencer, my audio editor and my soundcard are German ideas and German manufactured items. Everything I use constantly and love much is German made, everything!

I think this is not mere coincidence, but a way of seen things, some sort of strong empathy between German way of thinking and my own way of thinking. I have tried some American made software like Cakewalk and others, still very good and reliable, but the German stuff is an absolute winner when I compare them to each other, in terms of workflow and interface logics.

Perhaps, yes, the “way of thinking” is the reason behind it. What’s your experience about this point?

Maybe it is a bit vaguely to say. I think it has to do with our early artists on electronic music, like the pinoeers Trautwein, Suse, KH Stockhausen, later TD, Klaus Schulze etc. they all had a great vision, to use electronic to make their music. This all formed the demand for further machines to record all the stuff, sequence it etc.
I guess this is tradition, our past musicans set the seed for all the products you described above, they grew out of our musically past and its upcoming demands.

Interesting answer… I have not thought about the musicians which are an essential part of the development, as they always work with the developers.

I should have mention that my sequencer is Cubase, my audio editor Wavelab, and of course, my sound card Pulsar.

Here we have the VERY FIRST advancement in electronic music, not really an instrument, but an sonic experiment: The Resonator






Here you have an interesting description about his education:

His father was a teacher of philosophy and literature at the Potsdam Gymnasium, and his mother was descended from William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania. From his mother came the calm and reserve that marked him all his life. From his father came a rich, but mixed, intellectual heritage. His father taught him the classical languages, as well as French, English, and Italian. He also introduced him to the philosophy of Immanuel Kant and Johann Gottlieb Fichte and to the approach to nature that flowed from their philosophical insights. This "Nature philosophy," in the hands of early 19th-century investigators, became a speculative science in which it was felt that scientific conclusions could be deduced from philosophical ideas, rather than from empirical data gathered from observations of the natural world. Much of Helmholtz' later work was devoted to refuting this point of view. His empiricism, however, was always deeply influenced by the aesthetic sensitivity passed on to him by his father, and music and painting played a large part in his science.

Nestor wrote: I think this is not mere coincidence, but a way of seen things, some sort of strong empathy between German way of thinking and my own way of thinking. I have tried some American made software like Cakewalk and others, still very good and reliable, but the German stuff is an absolute winner when I compare them to each other, in terms of workflow and interface logics.

I prefer Sonar over Cubase, so I don't follow your general sentiment. I also care a rat's ass about what country a piece of software or hardware has been made, as long as it works as I like.

I like many german software products (scope is the best example) and german manufactured cars like porsche, bmw, benz ...

but I prefer Argentine beef over germans beef ...

so no rule without an exeption.

I don’t either care about the precedence of the software of course, but what is interesting is that I always and without thinking about it, choose German software for music. I don’t do it in purpose. It is a coincidence that has repeated itself too many times, so I assume that the way I see think must have something to do with the way German people think, at least, with the way this bunch of developers think. I never say: “hey, let see which apps comes from Germany to buy them”. I have realized it lately, that most software, almost everything that I have for music, are German products, surprisingly.

Again, one of the best possible software ever for VST are from Germany, I’m talking about the ultra well know company named Native Instruments, which I love to the most, except perhaps, some Reaktor instruments which I find to be too plastic sounding.

I Love Scope above the rest,....but Cubase can do a lipstand on my.............

Germany rules, definitely
And Scope is the top, tho nobody knows that.

Btw, the more you agree to 'Germany rules', the more less special it is you choose German software
And Chris has right, I also immediately thought about the several German godfathers of 'mechanical' music.
The hardware tho I get in Sweden these days

That is very interesting to me, cheers Hubird. Do you also use many German software?

i like German software (Scope, looking at Samplitude), Japanese synths, effects (Roland mainly) and guitars (Yamaha), American guitars (Fender, Fernandes) and effects (Line 6), British speakers PMC), Canadian amps (Bryston), British software (GMedia), French software (space f), Isreali software (FleXor) - pretty international set-up. Probably all built in China too .

Samplitude V10 is coming any day now!

yum

Greg

Nothing can surpass Scope... except a new Scope

Anyway, I thought you said Celmo was your favourite Scope developer Nestor?

Shroomz II wrote:Anyway, I thought you said Celmo was your favourite Scope developer Nestor?

his (celmos) last name sounds at least very german

Nestor wrote:I have noticed that after analyzing and trying many trial software apps along the years, particularly from Computer Music magazine which I bought for quite a few years, I have always come to love German made software.

It is somehow curious this coincidence that always repeats itself: my sequencer, my audio editor and my soundcard are German ideas and German manufactured items. Everything I use constantly and love much is German made, everything!

I think this is not mere coincidence, but a way of seen things, some sort of strong empathy between German way of thinking and my own way of thinking. I have tried some American made software like Cakewalk and others, still very good and reliable, but the German stuff is an absolute winner when I compare them to each other, in terms of workflow and interface logics.

Perhaps, yes, the “way of thinking” is the reason behind it. What’s your experience about this point?

Its because all the german companies hire Dutch engineers!

I thought Celmo was from France.....

john b.

My suggestion:
Let's stop this discussion...
To come back to music:
Even the headline of the thread scares me a little bit.
The first line of our antheme was:
"Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles..."
wich is translated:
"Germany, Germany above the rest..."


Hope you get me right!
Cheers,
Jan

don't worry Janni, I know an anthem with a line going
... and the rockets red glare,
the bombs bursting in air,
gave proof through the night
that our flag was still there...

cheers, Tom

and I loved it when Gail Devers sang it from the heart when she won a gold medal - never heard a better version

stardust wrote:ahhh that's why !

I think that's history...

Bonn - Berlin - Kabul - Weltsicherheitsrat

Beeindruckend, oder?


But that's really off topic, isn't it?