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Is it possible to program Solaris (for SCOPE) using a hardware controller like this?

http://www.novationmusic.com/product.as ... hive=False

I like the look of the Remote Zero, and I'm thinking about getting it with Solaris for programming. Any way to make this work?

I was going to get one until I found out from www.sweetwater.com that it wouldn't arrive until April 2007. Since it was February I declined.

But if one doesn't have a controller infested with knobs, this would be perfect. I wish they would make a controller that had updatable LCD's.

scope4live wrote:I wish they would make a controller that had updatable LCD's.

As chance would have it I just got a Bitstream 3X two days ago which is very knob infested and highly configurable to say the least. When you program a template for any synth, mixer or anything in the configuration software they provide you have the option to enter an LCD string for any hardware control so when you touch that control it tells you on the 3X video display what that control refers to in the synth or whatever. So if you tweak a knob you have programmed for, say, Solaris Master Level and have entered "Solaris Master Level" in the software for that control in the template, wolla, it appears on the LCD. So's you know what's what.

The jury's still out on this controller as far as I'm concerned. It has a limited Mackie control, Logic control, a Standard mode(CC's/noteon & noteoff only) and a User mode(genius level required) which can use whatever you want wherever you want. It has no motorized faders but employs a "hook" mode which tells you, on the 3X screen, which way you have to move any fader or control if it is out of sync with the synth's corresponding control. I haven't actually used it in a firefight yet so I'm unsure about how good it is in practice.

I'm still getting my head round it's operating style and possibilities but it seems to work fine with Scope MIDI ports. My knowledge of this sort of stuff is limited but I got Solaris's and the Scope mixers going easily enough. Scope doesn't seem to send feedback for the "hook" function tho. I'm still investigating.

X/Y thingie, ribbon wotsit, LFO, Arp, etc. Various curve functions. Allows control of any controls from another control - chaining positively or inversely. Crossfader.

Mind numbing. I wouldn't know where to begin with half of it even if I knew what it could do.

ns

PS Regarding using hardware control for Solaris. Stick the controller into MIDI in on Solaris, right click on whatever control, window pops up. Click on the turquoise thing to the right of the plus sign and another window comes up with a line highlighted in white. Click on that and info will appear. Need to save whtever you've done as a MIDI controller preset. I decided to use multiple presets as Solaris has so many knobs and Scope MDI control only utilizes 119 cc's. For example, this Bitstream has 36 knobs in 4 banks of 8. Which suits the sequencer very nicely. So I'll have a Sequencer MIDI control preset all by itself and others for different sections of Solaris.

Well, that's the theory anyway.

you need an in and an out to make the hook work, of course.........

Sweet. I didn't know about the right click assign, that's what I needed to know.

I've seen the Remote Zero in stores in LA, Sam Ash Hollywood for example. I also saw some pics of a new version (minus the worthless 25mm faders), so perhaps that's the reason for delay. But perhaps this is an additional model and not a replacement.

http://www.novationmusic.com/news.asp?id=196

I'll hold off until AES of course, as Apple is rumored to have a touchscreen controller for Logic. This seems unlikely, but if it's as cool as a Lemur but with Apple's pixie dust, that would be the controller to beat.

So if you tweak a knob you have programmed for, say, Solaris Master Level and have entered "Solaris Master Level" in the software for that control in the template, wolla, it appears on the LCD.

That's what I figured, I didn't think there would be two-way communication with filter frequency showing on the display. Even if that would be super-sweet. I was starting to lean towards a Virus TI for the hardware controls, but this combo will be a lot more powerful.

Pretty crazy that you can ask a question here, eat brunch, then come back for the answer.

Bitstream eh? I shall check it out.

Aren't these the Chinese guys who made the UF8? A nice first shot at an already crowded market.

They like CW stuff, maybe there is something happening with them and a Scope controller.

But they know how cheap most of the Scope base guys are, so it will be a low investment of R & D. But Alesis set the world on fire years ago, who knows.

I just know how people here whine about price. 99 Euro ??!!! What ??!?!?

To win these cheapskates, you must have the Brainrox approach. Make your price painfully high, then people automatically have to have it.

People even whined about Flexor III, and that was another example of selling yourself short.

It reminds me of people who buy an 8 ball of coke. The first thing out of their mouth is " For 150 USD, it better be good. " But if it's 250 USD, they want 2 of them, as it has to be really good to ask that kind of price. Bad example I know, but I am surrounded by whiners everywhere I go. A constant source of irratation.

Thanks.

garyb wrote:you need an in and an out to make the hook work, of course.........

Yeah, I already did that.

Have you seen one of these working with Scope mixers?

ns

scope4live wrote:Aren't these the Chinese guys......

French design. Made in China. Distributed by CME. Dumped by Yamaha.



The massive Chinese workforce and cutting edge modern factory.

No, really!! From their website

ns

nightscope wrote:

garyb wrote:you need an in and an out to make the hook work, of course.........

Yeah, I already did that.

Have you seen one of these working with Scope mixers?

ns

no, sorry, but i've seen a number of other controllers work. midi control tends to be midi control....

It will work fine. I am skeptical of the Keebler sized faders though.

I have been mixing on stage live w/ KS88's for 28 months now, and even though my mixes are all snapshots, I still find myself tweaking the mixes from room to room due to size, and number of people in the audience, etc.

Mehdi from SpaceF is reading the manual and schematics now for the Bitstream 3X as we speak, and I am confident he will share his work at his website.

www.spacef-devices.com

If you are interested in using Solaris, and controlling mixes as well, A KS88 will work very well. It's a perfect match for Scope, and they go for less money than the Bitstream 3X !! But home users prefer little smaller controllers, with little knobs, and Keebler sized faders, etc. I am selling a couple of KS88's next month for peanuts. I always give away my stuff here for next to nothing, as I have already made loads of cash with it, and prefer to see one of my Brotha's get a Sore Dick Deal. I will probably ask for 150 USD + shipping for each of them. That way one could spend more money on DSP cards, right ?

But if you prefer these Keebler sized faders and such, watch for something at Medhi's site.

I had 5 of these and just opened 2 more new ones up I bought last year. I bought a dealers package where I paid 250 for each, but had to buy 6 of these. I stripped one for parts, which hasn't been needed, and sold one. I will know if I am going to use a Las Vegas and Lake Tahoe rig ( 2 identical set-ups ) by September. I can't afford to drag my cases back and forth for rehearsals when I actually have 3 DAW's all loaded w/ Giga and Scope cards. It was nice last weekend to fly up there and back for 108 USD instead of 326 !! I shall keep you guys posted. My Q20 just got sold to a guy in Canada, they must love me up there, and now I have the MPX-550 for DAW I, PCM91 for DAW II, and PCM81 for DAW III. Sure would be nice to have a Scope rig waiting at every job with Barbettas, but I am not that fortunate. I figure Lake Tahoe, and Vegas each deserve a rig, as these towns have lined my pockets off and on for 23 years.

Strength And Honor,

I never liked the feel of the Keystations. I have a Fatar/Studiologic SL-1100 built into my desk that works well for me. The little Novation would work well in my setup. The faders are a joke, but the knobs would be nice.

nice comp keyboard...

nice bass traps...

Thanks, traps are all homemade as is the desk. I use a Mac G5 with two PCs controlled through Remote Desktop.

nice Shuttle Pro....

I wondered about getting one of these.



But settled for one of these. "The Cyborg". A name worthy of battle.



Assign any key command in any program to any of these keys for use with the left hand while the right does the mousing. Shift control under the heel of the palm doubles the amount of keys. Three sets of key commands switchable. Will do multiple key presses with one key and macros. Designed for gaming works with any sequencer's key commands and macros. USB. Set it up to cycle yer Windows to switch rapidly from Scope to sequencer or whatever else you got open. Save, open, routing, whatever with one key press. X/Y stick can be set for jogging about in sequencer. Loads of fun and enjoyment for all the family. Most importantly it glows menacingly in the dark. Red, blue or green depending on which set of key lots are active.

Some gamers review - http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/sai ... mmand_unit

ns

I wish the Shuttle Pro would always send info to my DAW, instead of whatever app is on top.

In person, the 30" monitor is the grabber. The fisheye just makes it look tiny. (That thing almost cost me my marriage, wow was that a fight...)

Nice action. The Fatars keyboards have always used good beds on their top shelf designs. But live, one must add a few Zero remotes to come close to a KS88. M Audio chose a mid range bed, but I can go from B3, to synth, to Rhodes, as it is basically an in between design.

Scope requires serious knobs, buttons, and sliders.

Nice home studio brogham, I guess you don't use the ribbon on the A6 much 'eh?

I see only one thing you need,...............................................................................

synthetic88 wrote:I wish the Shuttle Pro would always send info to my DAW, instead of whatever app is on top.

Controllermate looks like a neat looking app for macs. I got a PC.

"This example will demonstrate how to create ControllerMate programming that is active only when a certain application is running."

http://orderedbytes.com/controllermate/ ... example013

ns

Brotha Man' Nightscope,
The Cyborg looks great !! The idea of having a gamer here at the Z who knows and loves his Scope is great. As gamers do not sleep until they win. I am sure this attitude is carried over into Scope as well, eh?

The M-Audio action always felt atrocious to me, but to each his own.

[edit] Then again, NO ONE makes a decent MIDI controller anymore.

As for the Lexicon, I have a vision... In the early dawn of October... In the capitol of the world... a new champion of the reverbs is crowned...