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Great! Thanks.

Tiitu wrote:Apparently, this firm is not able to deliver at these prices. I have ordered and asked them twice without getting any response! Has anybody else succeeded?

Hi Tito, I tried to order from this site a few weeks ago too - no luck (Checkout cart kept looping).

Ended up getting my Prodyssey from Thomann... Good, quick service and cheaper than buying here in the UK - altough it seems that NOBODY in the UK has the Prodyssey in stock (or ever have!)

I think Anna is correct about the limited availability, I'm so happy I got mine when I did.

Yes, they did not bother to answer my order and emails, which was not polite, but probably they got an excessive number of orders because of the ridiculously low prices.

I regularly shop with Thomann, but no Prodyssey nor Pro-12 are available in Thomann shop currently.. You can be happy.

Cheers,
Tiitu.

Phew I got a Prodyssey ASB. Love it so far. Only few issues. Can't get the USB to work from the editor. Has to use it through normal MIDI which means that I have to change cables all the time from PC to keyboard. USB AUDIO driver is automatically installed when I turn on Prodyssey but I can't select USB from the remote sw.
Another issue is that when changing from one patch to another (for some of them) then hell breaks loose (like on the NOAH). It starts playing even if no midi key has been pressed. This means that it is hard to use live if you plan to change patches. Thought it was just a bug in the Noah. It seems that when changing patches it just changes all the controllers so if there is some long release time on then the sound of the next patch will start playing. Not really convinient operation.

Anyway I love it so far.

A friend got Minimax Klangbox and it just sounded amazing as well! Loved the logo on the front too.

I will probably update my web-tool to be able to convert Prodyssey ASB / Klangbox patches to Noah Midi CC#. The patch file format seems quite straight forward.

Henrik

Henrik wrote: Another issue is that when changing from one patch to another (for some of them) then hell breaks loose (like on the NOAH). It starts playing even if no midi key has been pressed. This means that it is hard to use live if you plan to change patches.

Hi Henrik,

Sounds like you've got a MIDI loop going on there (especially since you're using MIDI cables to use it).

Do all of your LED's flash when you get this problem?

As I don't know what set-up you have (Mac/PC - Logic/Live/Cubase?) the only solution I have for you at the moment is to remove the MIDI out cable from your ASB - that will remove the loop temporarily... Have a look and see if the software you're using is causing a loop also.

If you're using Windows, try the latest USB driver from Creamwear's site.

Hope I've been of some help.

No not a midi-loop problem

I tried to only connect midi-out from the keyboard to midi-in on the Noah and again on the Prodyssey ASB. They all have this problem that when I change the program# without holding any keys some sounds just starts screaming, generating strange sounds.
It's as if a long release time or reverb was used or will be used in next sound then changing the program# will change all controllers. I would expect it to be protected so only new notes would be with the new sound controller configuration.

Of course if you do this on the originals they would probably make a lot of strange sounds too. Just not very nice live or even when browsing for sounds.

Was playing with Prodyssey Resonant filters and measured the frequency response for all 128 settings.

Found out that values above 122 are the same. Hits the 16kHz highpass filter so has been "saturated" sw-wise. There is quite some aliasing at the high values as you can see. 117 and 120 has strange aliasing it seems. All other values has a nice flat response.

For the Minimoog filter values above 121 gives aliasing due to the 44.1kHz sampling rate (so 22.050Hz is possible). So folds back downwards.

Value Prodyssey Moog filter
0 15
1 15
2 16
3 16
4 16
5 17
6 18
7 18
8 18
9 19
10 20
11 21
12 21
13 22
14 23
15 24+72+121
16 24
17 26
18 26
19 27
20 29
21 29
22 31
23 32
24 34 ~79
32 45 104
33 48 107
34 50 110
35 53 115
36 55 119
37 57 123
38 59 129
39 62 134
40 65 139
41 69 145
42 72 150
43 75 156
44 78 163
45 82 169
46 86 176
47 90 183
48 94 191
49 99 199
50 104 207
51 110 217
52 115 226
53 121 236
54 128 248
55 134 260
56 142 272
57 150 285
58 157 299
59 166 314
60 174 329
61 183 345
62 194 362
63 205 379
64 217 400
65 230 420
66 244 443
67 258 467
68 274 492
69 290 520
70 306 549
71 325 580
72 344 613
73 365 648
74 387 683
75 413 722
76 440 764
77 468 809
78 500 858
79 532 912
80 567 968
81 605 1030
82 645 1095
83 686 1165
84 734 1240
85 785 1318
86 841 1402
87 901 1491
88 967 1595
89 1038 1698
90 1114 1816
91 1194 1943
92 1281 2081
93 1374 2229
94 1477 2388
95 1590 2557
96 1729 2739
97 1852 2932
98 2001 3146
99 2162 3383
100 2336 3644
101 2523 3927
102 2723 4236
103 2944 4570
104 3180 4931
105 3468 5318
106 3771 5740
107 4104 6185
108 4465 6693
109 4858 7256
110 5281 7875
111 5738 8553
112 6254 9316
113 6831 10093
114 7471 10963
115 8174 12020
116 8941 12944
117 9773+234 14122
118 10666 15423+2171
119 11622 16921+10371+6410
120 12688+11442+6032 18364
121 13867 20058+3980
122 15148 21905+21614+21326+21040
123 15977+8309+3834 20312+3471
124 15977+8309+3834 18141
125 15977+8309+3834 15784+12496+3430
126 15977+8309+3834 13310
127 15977+8309+3834 10849

Perhaps someone can use this table when using the filter self-resonance.

Next I am going to make tables for when using the KEYB as filter modulator. This is more usable like when making "3 note chord" voices etc. "Playing the filter".

Henrik wrote:
They all have this problem that when I change the program# without holding any keys some sounds just starts screaming, generating strange sounds.

My Prodyssey ASB and Klangbox both do this. Yes it is annyoying. Mostly happens for me if a sound that is being passed through has a high VCA especially those alien effects. Would be good if patch change also stated mute/keys off. I have not had the same problem with my PRO-12 as this does not have the VCA thingy! If one could type in the patch number when on stage and go to it instead of "dialling" it woud be good. That initial thump on switching on and fizzle when switching off are a pain!

My old Crumar BIT99 had a stage mode where you programmed a chain of patches. Then with a footswitch I would stomp through my patches for my setlist. yep - it always muted before going to next patch!

"VCA Gain Fader" opens the VCA without beeing controlled by an envelope generator. You can hear the sound endless, endless, endless ...

Anna Lüse wrote:"VCA Gain Fader" opens the VCA without beeing controlled by an envelope generator. You can hear the sound endless, endless, endless ...

I agree, and it is a great feature.

However when you dial from one of these to another patch, you get some squarking as it re-adjusts. For me I do not play live so not a problem, just an irritation and a by-product of having to step thru the patches. If the ASB applied mute (kill sound) etc before applying next sound model on each patch it could resolve it.

You will need two for stereo-sound.

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what the b#*gery is that?

wow, the prototype for a new asb !

Le Bone wrote:what the b#*gery is that?

Anna Lüse likes talking riddles...but he should at least translate it, as a joke (or riddle) isn't a joke if nor recognized as such...
But life is never said to be comfortable...

Henrik wrote:Was playing with Prodyssey Resonant filters and measured the frequency response for all 128 settings.

Next I am going to make tables for when using the KEYB as filter modulator. This is more usable like when making "3 note chord" voices etc. "Playing the filter".

Many thanks for the info... Very interesting. Found out a few other things too!

Referring to kybernaut_01's message on page 2 of this thread:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21500

If creamware *DID* actually model the Prodyssey software on a genuine MkIII, then surely the filters would only go up to 12K (due to a design fault in the ARP filter module for that particular revision... which can be, and I have, fixed).

Another thing is the Ring Modulator - having a good look at the Odyssey service manual reveals that the Oddy *DOESN'T* have a genuine balanced modulator as on the 2600! It's a CMOS NOR Gate, which simply compares the square wave outputs from both osc's and gives an out put that is similar, but not quite true ring modulation... a subtle difference I know, but a difference none the less which gives the Oddy a character of it's own.

This explains why I've never been able to emulate the ring mod correctly using Reaktor or my Nord G2 Engine when "building" an Odyssey... Just updated both of them with great success... The G2 sounds particularly good (to be honest, better than the Prodyssey!!!... NO ALIASING!!)

The Prodyssey is currently relegated as just a controller for the G2 - Don't get me wrong, I *LOVE* the Prodyssey, but as it stands, it's just not quite there and I genuinely don't expect Creamware to update it, if they firmly believe they've modelled it correctly : (

BTW... Anna's pic is one of Robocop's lost pair of slippers, he'll find the the other one gathering dust under his bed : )

BTW... Anna's pic is one of Robocop's lost pair of slippers, he'll find the the other one gathering dust under his bed : )

Hehehehe big lol