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After discussing this for about a year with another member of this forum who is my friend, I am moving from a large native RME system (2 x HDSP 9652 and 1 x Multiface and 4 x UAD-1 cards) which I interface with a large Paris system (72 digital I/O and 42 analog I/O) I have been mixing in parallel using two DAWs but I am tired of dealing with using Cubase SX in order to have latency compensation (which the old Paris dinosaur doesn't have). My whole reason for moving away from Cubase SX/RME is the latency. I will be interfacing the Scope system digitally with the Paris system and summing there using the Scope onboard DSP on the Paris inserts and aux busses along with the Paris DSP and my rack hardware. I purchased two Pulsar II cards last week, one with the 24 ADAT I/O option and the other with the ZLink option in case I want to add analog I/O to the Scope system later. These cards should arrive at the end of next week. I am hoping for a zero (or extremely low) latency scenario.

I am very comfortable mixing with the UAD-1 cards. I am hoping there are plugins available for Scope which have the same kind of *vibe* to them. I no more expect the Creamware plugins to be *exactly* like the UAD-1 plugins than I expect the UAD-1 plugins to be exactly like the analog devices they purport to emulate, but having said that, the UAD-1 stuff is *very* nice and does sound a bit like analog circuitry when gain staging.expecially the Neve emulations. I have been using it for years so I'm comfortable with it. I am curious about which compressors and EQ's are available for Creamware that might have that same kind of *feel* to them. I use hardware delays and reverbs so EQ's and compressors are my main concern.

This is a big jump of faith for me as I have never used Creamware *at all * and I'm not selling my RME and UAD-1 hardware until I'm comfortable with the Creamware platform but I have been interested in Creamware since the late 90's and so I am looking forward to using this platform.

I apologize for such a long post, but I am a bit insecure about this I guess so any insights/suggestions, etc. would be most welcome.

Regards,

First, welcome aboard bro, enjoy the Z trip!

As far as compressors go, vinco is a nice piece of software! There's another one by d-mute and a few others third parties' too. As far as I'm concerned, vinco is really awesome.

For eqs, there are quite a few, ison, wolf's, and of course bx digital, which sems to be as top of the line as the top of the line can be! There is DAS too, but I won't be dealing with them because of their unrepented obnoxious attitude in these forums, but that's just me... Oh, and celmo's stuff is really fine too!

Do searches on the forum, because a lot has been discussed already about pretty much everything scope.

I hope your setup works fine, be patient if it doesn't work as expected upon startup, little tweaks go a long way, as you already know I'm sure. My guess is that you might want more dsps soon, but you seem pretty all dressed in processing power, so who knows...

Take care!

there are many top quality plugins for scope. wolf audio designs also makes a fantastic eq as does das. the bx digital is something you won't find on uad, true mastering quality eq. for that matter the stock eqs are pretty good.

the vinco is as nice as you need. there are plenty of other third party compressors as well.

really, if you like something on the uad card, keep it, but not having the uad card will in no way cripple your ability to make a grammy winning album. the basic effects are the stock effects on the fairlight constellation, a rig that if you have to ask the price, you can't afford.

anyway, scope is more than a few effects. it's true benefit is seen when scope is the room and environment you work in. everything will then connect with little or no latency, realworld and virtual. monitor and mix in scope and find out how good a computer can really sound.....

my opinion...

welcome!
You might start reading! ...so here are some links:

http://www.brainworx-music.de/
http://www.celmo.com/
http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com/
http://dev.d-mute.com/index_en.html
http://www.sonictimeworks.com/products. ... f730ed4f28
http://www.spacef-devices.com/
http://www.steckenleiter.de/
http://www.worldless.com/sfp/hd.html
http://www.zargmusic.com/

Another thing offered by Scope is an awesome Modular synthesizer that you can use to build almost any type of synthesis but also processing, like formant shifts, drum retriggering and anything you could imagine, particularly if you use the FleXor Modules.
Apart the incredible synth sounds it is a very powerful production tool.

Actually there are several hundreds of Modular patches already built and available here on PlanetZ .

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=15


This is the demo page for the FleXor modules:

http://adern.com/home/modules.php?name= ... view&id=10

Just to add something, I've recorded mixed and mastered the CD whose link is in my signature exclusively with Scope summing, processing, synthesis and sample management, nothing except for mere tracking and a Pow-r dithering when making the 16 bit files has been done outside of Scope. No VST used of any kind and all going through separate busses to Scope Mixer .

eliam wrote:First, welcome aboard bro, enjoy the Z trip!


For eqs, there are quite a few, ison, wolf's, and of course bx digital, which sems to be as top of the line as the top of the line can be! There is DAS too, but I won't be dealing with them because of their unrepented obnoxious attitude in these forums, but that's just me... Oh, and celmo's stuff is really fine too!

I have bought DigitalAudioSoft and Brainworks and i fine them very professional,Sonic timeworks and his P100 are very good too.
I'm not agree with you Eliam,i have read lots of infamous post about DAS plugins in this forum.DAS showed much patience,they were insulted ,defamed, and your attitude was not very friendly.
I find DigitalAudiosoft better than others ,it's the reason why i will buy the new Dynpara M/S.Now,with my RMX160 i have received SL bi-mode for free and i find it better than Vinco.Thank's Eric and Olive from DigitalAudioSoft for your good work.

Manuel

Dear DJ,
I will add on the quality of the DAS plugins.
I don't share the feelings that thy have a tempted manner or whatever because I also think that their work was too much insulted in the first place and afterall you ears can be the only judge here.
They have demos on their site and you can try them and if you like just buy.
I will be very happy if you join the pulsar/scope train with the rest of us and I am million times sure that only benefits will arrise.
Drop that vst,dx thing and enjoy the creamware plugz.
Regards,
Dimitrios

I will never buy any plugin by DAS in my life, that's for sure, and it's completely their own fault. period.
Anyway, welcom DJ, Scope platform offers everything you need, but probably you will have to get used to it.
Not because of they are strange or something, but because it just always works that way
My favorites: PsyQ, Optimaster, GraphEQ, Vinco, Attack Designer, etc. etc.

If you will sell the RME 9652 soon, send me a pm as I need one

I didn't want to start over with this DAS drama, but anyone who says that DAS guys were anything but shamelessly arrogant and plainly insulting and rude to the people of this forum, didn't read the whole thread. They were politely offered to apologize and adopt a less hostile attitude, but they kept steaming, which is fine for they are free, but I'll never buy from those developers, unless formal apologies are made. I guess their plug-ins are good, I'll probably never know...

btw, Scope is cool!

eliam wrote:I didn't want to start over with this DAS drama, but anyone who says that DAS guys were anything but shamelessly arrogant and plainly insulting and rude to the people of this forum, didn't read the whole thread. They were politely offered to apologize and adopt a less hostile attitude, but they kept steaming, which is fine for they are free, but I'll never buy from those developers, unless formal apologies are made. I guess their plug-ins are good, I'll probably never know...

btw, Scope is cool!

me eighter, but finally the plugins sound great and help me making my sound getting better, and that's all what count at the end, at least for me.

I'm happy you found a useful tool!

please dont use every frigging ocasion to bring in a DAS discussion! we have other threads for that like http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... light=rant

please stay on topic. he didnt ask for any info on that subject whatsoever.

musurgio wrote:Dear DJ,
I will add on the quality of the DAS plugins.
I don't share the feelings that thy have a tempted manner or whatever because I also think that their work was too much insulted in the first place and afterall you ears can be the only judge here.
They have demos on their site and you can try them and if you like just buy.
I will be very happy if you join the pulsar/scope train with the rest of us and I am million times sure that only benefits will arrise.
Drop that vst,dx thing and enjoy the creamware plugz.
Regards,
Dimitrios

Hello Dimitrios

It appears I have joined the Pulsar/Scope train so I will be posting my *mad scientist* ideas here too once I determine the limitations of the platform and begin to try to make it do digitally unnatural things like I seem to do with everything else I use. Maybe the Scope system will finally satisfy me and I can take off my lab coat , experiment less and do more mixing instead of building more computers to do the different things that I need here ...... and thanks to everyone who has posted here and made me feel welcome. There appear to be a good number of third party plugin developers for this system. I like that.

I have a question now since I am still a bit unfamilar with the hardware. When I was talking to Ali Fawaz last week, he was saying that since I want to clock this to the rest of my system with the Mytek WC, he was needing to send me a cable to connect the sync plate to the Pulsar II that I am getting which has the ADAT I/O plate. Since I have purchased a second Pulsar II since then, will this cable also have a second connector to interface the two Pulsar II cards? If not, what is the name of the sync cable I will need?

no, only one card needs to be connected to the sync plate. you will need an s/tdm cable to connect the two cards to each other.

garyb wrote:no, only one card needs to be connected to the sync plate. you will need an s/tdm cable to connect the two cards to each other.

thanks..........is there a part# or do I just ask for the ( ribbon?) cable thingie that connects two cards? Is the pinout proprietary? (surely it would have to be.......no designer in his right mind would miss a chance to pick up some extra $$$ by designing something with a standard pinout)

it's called an stdm cable and it's use in in the lit(it's really a simple thing).

basically, the cable is a bit of ribbon and 3 edge connectors for a maximum of three cards. use the two outside connectors with two cards. the supplies to make one are in this thread:
http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... stdm+cable

if you need help getting one send me a private message.

garyb wrote:it's called an stdm cable and it's use in in the lit(it's really a simple thing).

basically, the cable is a bit of ribbon and 3 edge connectors for a maximum of three cards. use the two outside connectors with two cards. the supplies to make one are in this thread:
http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... stdm+cable

if you need help getting one send me a private message.

Thanks..........now normally, my next question would be if anyone has (yet) made on of these cables to connect more than three cards. If I like this platform, that's likely where I'll be trying to go.

Regards,

it's possible, but most motherboards won't support it.
believe me, 3 15dsp cards is more than enough for 99.999% of uses.

garyb wrote:it's possible, but most motherboards won't support it.
believe me, 3 15dsp cards is more than enough for 99.999% of uses.

It would be interesting to try. Right now I've got 2 x RME HDSP 9652's and an RME Multiface PCI (in a 7 slot Magma) and 4 x UAD-1 cards (in a 13 slot Magma),and two NVidia GEForce 5500 dualheads (AGP & PCI) happening with an ASUS A8V8X mobo and an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU with 4G RAM (though the apps are only able to access a little more than 3G). I can play back 50 tracks while using 95% of the available resources of the UAD-1 cards. There are some compromises to this though for the way I like to work and the bandwidth is so maxed out (especiall by adding that PCI video card) that there is a point of diminishing returns as far a stability goes. I can imagine that 3 x of the 15 DSP Creamware cards would likely be all you would need, and then some.

Thanks again for your feedback on this. I'll see if I can locate some extra cables tomorrow.