about these fat besses - in Trance style
onother accent:
give de kick a peak at 80 Hz, and let the bass play the main roll in the 40-65 Hz area.
You also can think of extra push by inserting an anhancer (more dynamic push) or even Transient Designer (more attack or even also sustain).
Velocity can controll the cut-off filter, reduce it a bit when kick notes are in sinc
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give de kick a peak at 80 Hz, and let the bass play the main roll in the 40-65 Hz area.
You also can think of extra push by inserting an anhancer (more dynamic push) or even Transient Designer (more attack or even also sustain).
Velocity can controll the cut-off filter, reduce it a bit when kick notes are in sinc
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Thank you all, some usefull tips.
I use TauProVSTI,use a multiband compresor and EQ,than after i record it(from pulsar to cubase)i normalize it and compress it again.
i tried many combition and it always sound mudy and dull.
why on comercial tracks the basses sounds loud, clean and big ?
on wich octave do you do your Bassline?
maybe some body can upload a midi file or PNG file with an example, will be very greatfull.
anybody have or read the WAVES- THE TRANCE EXPIRIENCE? thinking of buying it,is it good for learning?
thanks again.
Arish
I use TauProVSTI,use a multiband compresor and EQ,than after i record it(from pulsar to cubase)i normalize it and compress it again.
i tried many combition and it always sound mudy and dull.
why on comercial tracks the basses sounds loud, clean and big ?
on wich octave do you do your Bassline?
maybe some body can upload a midi file or PNG file with an example, will be very greatfull.
anybody have or read the WAVES- THE TRANCE EXPIRIENCE? thinking of buying it,is it good for learning?
thanks again.
Arish
thanks, stardust will try that any suggestion on any better bass syth, pulsar or VSTI?
i think now, that it maybe that its sound muddy and humy.. cos it miss slince spaces between the kik and the bass, that gives the feeling of the groove.
i notice that when i record the kik of the KIKME syth when i zoom on the sample in cubase its not sitts on the first bar, it has small deelay of few milseconds ??
and something similar happend with the TauPro when you zoom on the sample you can see a short nose of signal ??
what do i need to do to make these spaces be there and mark well the kik and bass from each other?
maybe somebody can say something on sidechainer compressor? i never use it and i heard that it does the job.
thanks on any tips
i think now, that it maybe that its sound muddy and humy.. cos it miss slince spaces between the kik and the bass, that gives the feeling of the groove.
i notice that when i record the kik of the KIKME syth when i zoom on the sample in cubase its not sitts on the first bar, it has small deelay of few milseconds ??
and something similar happend with the TauPro when you zoom on the sample you can see a short nose of signal ??
what do i need to do to make these spaces be there and mark well the kik and bass from each other?
maybe somebody can say something on sidechainer compressor? i never use it and i heard that it does the job.
thanks on any tips
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as far as I know, no.
It's latency, recording a source-midi file via ASO (sequencer--SFP--sequencer) gives some latency, you can't change that, at least not in my old Cubase 5.
(there is no problem when playing audio and midi, Cubase cares for the delays in timing, but you know that).
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It's latency, recording a source-midi file via ASO (sequencer--SFP--sequencer) gives some latency, you can't change that, at least not in my old Cubase 5.
(there is no problem when playing audio and midi, Cubase cares for the delays in timing, but you know that).
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Try the three-o-three synth.. that's phatOn 2006-09-23 10:42, arish wrote:
Hi
i know i saw this tread some time ago here some where.
i need to ask this question.
How do you get these fat low and yet loud basses?
in the Trance style.
i have try every thing before asking this question.
please help is needed.
arish.
arish
The SB-404 is not bad either...
(rebirth could also do the trick, which is freeware now... but this is not scope )
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sadly, midi isn't always as tight, timing-wise as we would like in these modern days. Small delays can and will happen. You can compensate somewhat by setting a positive delay in the track inspector for the midi track that is late. (in Cubase SX, there's a little clock icon underneath the panning and volume sliders). This sets the midi on this track to play ever so slightly early, so it hopefully cancels out the delay.i notice that when i record the kik of the KIKME syth when i zoom on the sample in cubase its not sitts on the first bar, it has small deelay of few milseconds ??
and something similar happend with the TauPro when you zoom on the sample you can see a short nose of signal ??
For drums, for example the kickme kick you want to use, I would advise sampling it, and then playing it from a VST software sampler (I use Native Instruments Battery). This should give you much tighter timing (since VSTi's are supposed to be sample accurate)
tau is good for trance bass.arish wrote:Thank you all, some usefull tips.
I use TauProVSTI,use a multiband compresor and EQ,than after i record it(from pulsar to cubase)i normalize it and compress it again.
i tried many combition and it always sound mudy and dull.
why on comercial tracks the basses sounds loud, clean and big ?
on wich octave do you do your Bassline?
maybe some body can upload a midi file or PNG file with an example, will be very greatfull.
anybody have or read the WAVES- THE TRANCE EXPIRIENCE? thinking of buying it,is it good for learning?
thanks again.
Arish
imo u dont even need compression, defo not normalisation....
just play with the synth until it sounds right, and get a kick that matches well with it.
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because midi timing (across applications) isn't as tight as one would expect it to be, KoS assumes the timing is more precise in one single application, the sequencer. The 'sound' origin is a Scope synth anyway...... I would advise sampling it, and then playing it from a VST software sampler (I use Native Instruments Battery). This should give you much tighter timing (since VSTi's are supposed to be sample accurate) ...
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i use the following synths for basslines in psytrance style:
Logic esM - Fat and rich bass
Logic es1 - Skinnier than esM, more flavor somtimes. Good analog feel.
Fruity Loops 3osc - using just 1 saw osc, tight envelops, groovy clicky bassline sound, not so fat though.
Tau1 - fat and rich, better sound for basses i am after than the tau2 or pro.
if you are after rolling basslines these do the trick and then some.
Logic esM - Fat and rich bass
Logic es1 - Skinnier than esM, more flavor somtimes. Good analog feel.
Fruity Loops 3osc - using just 1 saw osc, tight envelops, groovy clicky bassline sound, not so fat though.
Tau1 - fat and rich, better sound for basses i am after than the tau2 or pro.
if you are after rolling basslines these do the trick and then some.
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my recommendation is simple..it always sound mudy and dull.
If you think your bass is muddy and dull, don`t use VSTis. Few are able to produce a powerful bass for that music style. Take a higher class CW emulation or use a true analog.
The filters grab better into the sound and the final result won`t be dull nor without pressure.