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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:26 am
by cemhot
Hi folks,
iwas not very much around here all the time.
This has something to do with the fact that several (or most) years i didnt have internet.
Its been about half a year now im connected again.
In this time i also made up my mind to come here more often. But its only now that i come along again.
These might be some long (re-)intro-words, but i feel that i have to explain something:
-It happend to be then from 3 or 4 times i posted here in the past, i got very nice help here to figure out the minimum so i could work with some thing.
At the same time i really want to excuse myself that in 1 or 2 circumstances i didnt reply.
This was not the way i generally behave.
It is related to the not-connected fact and some stress i had over the years so why it wasnt so much a matter of course to check internet-cafe as to sit in front of your computer at home.
The other thing why i didnt engage too much with my Luna is the fact that sometimes im just overstrained with routing and such. I have those problems in my brain about that stuff sometimes.
Related to the smallest user:
I have only Luna II. No package at all. When upgraded always choosed the no-charge version. Meaning just the OS and driver.
Everytime there was an offer i had no money.
For example when CW reformed there was a 50 % offer on any plug. I couldnt make it, and later on they said its gone. while the email they sent showed no time limit.
And now 3 days ago i played around again with some free softsynths like the preset-version of u-know 007 and suddenly it "click" with me and suddenly it seemed i understood how fat this sounds!!!
Before that i gave up the idea of upgrading to 4.5 since they raised the price to 198 Euro.
And now the summer offer....
Well you know, a hole in my pocket is my companion since 10 years. Id really had to borrow the money. But you get any one for free! I mean, i get it right? I could choose for example PRO-12?
I never heard it though.
In the past i always dreamed of minimax.
Now im thinking to choose one of those.
Question about it: With Luna, how much polyphony would there be with Pro-12? If possible at all. If i dont use any other device, only mixer.
Maybe something else would be clever to choose. Since for example id get the u-know in the package.
Then i thought about some tools.
I have a replica of a Urei 1176 (stereo) here, so i might not need Vinco?
I know you are getting more questions about those decisions theses days. I also study them.
Would you say Pro-12 would be an advantage in the kind of fatness the u-know showed me? And what about polyphony with Luna II?
I think that would really help me :smile:
I appreciate your knowledge and help very much, and if you dont mind im gonna show up more here in future.

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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:51 pm
by darkrezin
The Pro-12 is capable of more diverse sounds IMHO - it's the synthesis architecture of a Prophet 5. It's a much more interesting synth than a Moog, especially for polyphonic stuff. I have only played with the ASB (I don't have the plugin - too many synths already here) but it sounded extremely nice.

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:42 pm
by cemhot
Thank you very much :smile:)
Didnt know there is an "original"
So John Bowen is with ( or is himself?)Zarg Music. Is this a total different machine? I mean did he develop totally his own version, besides the modular-feature?
Of course im asking about sound.
Cause there is also a New Pro-Wave Synth System .
Which is just added Monday, July 31, 2006 :smile:
Do they all base on the same (sound-)engine? Or are just CWs and Johns different?
I nearly didnt expect to have more then 4 sounds.
Thought with 3 i would do, 4 would be cool and 5 were just perfect :smile:
But if id only would be 2 voices then id think again if 1 Moog voice might be more convincing. Well, no demos...
So maybe thats interesting news maybe for you too with the "New Pro-Wave Synth System".
Maybe you even know it and could say what its all`bout? :smile:
Thank you darkrezin and stardust!
Good evening!

P.S: :smile:
stardust is my music pcs name, and CEM is my real turkish name which is exactly written like that :smile:
It is pronounced as english: "gem"
Greets.

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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:55 am
by Immanuel
You might want to considder getting a second hand card instead, if you want to spend that amount of money.

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:22 pm
by cemhot
John Bowen sent me demos next day! :grin:
With some nice explanation.
The man is amazing!
With the New Pro-Wave Synth System i had to switch off the LFO or one osc to use 1 or two sounds.
With the Proph@t Plus i could run 2 voices.
So very nice of him providing also both units when you buy.
But now im thinking to buy it later. And if my financial situation changes i think to buy some used creameare-card and his synth.
The price is even more then fair for this instrument!
From this quick impression i got (which is only related to the sound) this is a serious instrument.
OK, i got it friends: This is no VST :smile:
I had incredible fun with the demos, though i had to fiddle around a lot to reduce the dsp load.
It worked then if you build up a project from scratch.
To unload a device which uses a lot of dsp doesnt work.

Now my thoughts goes into other direction:
I can get Johns Prophet later, after the summer deal. (Hopefully you can support him now when i will do it later, all the best to his work and success).
Dont get me wrong and also John:
Thanks a lot for pointing me to his device and i`ll definitely get it if i can manage.

Im seriously thinking about
Transient Designer now. Im thinking to get a tool, one could not get somewhere else maybe and of course would be helpful for me.
Could someone be so cool and tell me about dsp load?
Will it run with Luna II?

Your help is very appreciated.
Have a good time all the time!
Greets,
Cem

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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:46 pm
by hubird
TD = very low on DSP (one half or maybe 3/4).
you can load three times stereo or 6 times mono, and variations up to 6 'channels' in total :smile:
if you have it, you gonne love it!

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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:13 pm
by cemhot
Thanks a lot hubird! That sounds good.
I heard some demo from the web. If this is realistic it seems this is really a secret weapon. Hope so. Am i right to think the things it does are not possible with anything else?
I mean this cant be done with even advanced compressiong skills, right?
SO, if this is so, an aspect im thinking of is that if you use TD you might even be able to use less compression. Maybe this is an interesting point for a more vital sound.

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:15 pm
by darkrezin
It's very cool.

It's also very easy to over-use :smile:

I'd advise to be subtle with it for the best results.

But yeah it is very cool, and I have not found anything in software that does it as well as the SPL.

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:18 pm
by cemhot
So i think this is gonna be the choice.
Thanks a lot to everyone!
Peace,
Cem