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Hi to all!

Before I go to my local store and buy that card (don't know what it would be yet between the home, project or professionnal) I wanted to confirm that I can use my native plug-ins(like my renaissance comp or eq from waves)with scope instead of using them with my computer processor.

And I wanted to know for example what are the possibilities with each card. How many tracks can I handle with the scope project card in cubase Sx 3 actually.

From what I've heard I definitly notice a better sound from what comes with the scope cards so the arguments of freeing my CPU would be the thing that would convince me to go out and buy a card right away.

Thanks in advance for answering.

Have a nice day!

Not sure I understand you correctly, but: no your native VST-plugins will still tax your CPU. If you are to take advantage of the scope-cards DSP's you have to use the plugins specifically developed for the scope-cards.

You really should ask your local store to give you a demo of how it works, cause it really is something else, and it does take some time to get used to and get the most out of the scope card. That said, I never regretted my purchase, in fact I have just kept on adding cards and plugins to my Scope-system.

Thanks petal for answering. From what I see the scope project looks lot more powerfull than a UAD card for example. Is there someone who can confirm this ?

Thanks in advance!

No easy answers there - everything depends on each individual plugin used and how DSP-hungry its algorithms are. For example, on a UAD card you can get maybe 2 or 3 instances of the new Neve plugins, but more instances of the other plugins. The same is true on Scope.

If you can afford it, buy the Scope Pro (14-dsp card).

yes, it is different than a uad, it does more things.

the scope card is a real-time device. it is an interface, synths, effects and mixing. it is worth the money for any of those things alone. when it is obsolete, it will still be a useful studio device as a stand alone synth module or multi i/o digital mixer or effects box. i bought my fisrt card 5 or 6 years ago. i still use it(with a couple of newer cards). there is still nothing else comparable. i would point out that real gear never becomes truly obsolete(if you had bought a 24track 2" tape recoder in 1983 you don't automatically need a new one in 2006. if you bought a minimoog or a 1176 limiter when new, it's still as great as ever.)


as an interface, scope offers lot's of very high quality i/o. it allows one to get in and out of the computer with 0 latency(when monitoring the scope mixer). it also allows REALTIME streaming of any app into any other.

the synths are as good as they get. one of the 3rd party developers is John Bowen(often here at this forum), who is a legend in synth design(profit 5 and korg wavestation). his new synth for Hans Zimmer, the Quantum Wave(developed for "Batman Begins"), was done on the scope platform, as are all his new creations. the minimax and b2003 are amazing(the best on the market) recreations of the minimoog and b3 hammond organ. the modular is the real gem, however......

for effects, just consider that the stock effects in the fairlight dream systems constellation are standard scope effects on a standard scope card.... http://www.fairlightau.com/xtmovie_content.html

as to mixing, many people spend money on devices like the dangerous 2-bus http://www.dangerousmusic.com/2bus.html because the way native apps combine signals sounds like caca. when the mixing is done on scope cards, it sounds like analog. dsps are dedicated, real-time processors. they can provide the nessesary resources for a real summing algorythm that native can't.

the card is not a uad or a soundblaster. it is a kind of vr device. the card has it's own processors and so it's a little different to deal with than most things computer users are used to. it offers fully flexible routing(anything can go anywhere in or out of the computer), so it is like using hardware. your sequencer becomes a device like a multitrack recorder with built-in midi....multiple cards(up to three) can be connected together to add i/o and dsp power.

if you want to know what kind of sound quality the card is capable of, just go rent the movie Gladiator, which won an academy award for sound. a scope project was used on that one...

*edit* of course the uad has some wonderful stuff on it and there are plenty of users with both...

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gary, you should work for creamware

And you don't have to ponce around with long latencies like the other DSP cards, it's all real-time (near as damn it).

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Thanks a lot guys. You are definitly convincing. I am impressed to know that the gladiator sountrack has been done with creamware. I take note about buying the pro card!

Have a nice day to all

definitly agree with you all : if you are not rich a scope card will offer you sound quality, very good synth (emulations of hammond, prophet, minimoog...) and excellent effects. Everything is included now with the 4.5 version if you buy it new. The big mixers will allow you a better sounding when mixing. And the flexibility of scope softawre allows you to create a vrutual studio run by the dsp of the card and not the CPU. I have a friend who used uad crads(3 cards were necessary). Since he get a scope pro, i uses mainly the scope for 90% of the projects....

Jo

try to afford money for the 14dsp pro card.
me, at first i bought the 6dsp card(scope project). well it was ok, except that i was sometimes unable to play scope synths with very raised polyphony. then, after i got used to scopes environment, i bought a scope pro 14dsp card and i entered in a new dimention according to synths and samplers playing.
i have now 20dsps and i can easily raise polyphony on a synth and the sound is really full of richness. also more dsp power means more capability of working with more effects realtime.( in a logical sense offcourse. every machine has its limits)
i must tell you that if i had the 14dsp card from the beggining i would have probably stayed with that one only. this also depends on how hungry creamware beast you are going to be in the future
take in mind that with the scope 14dsp pro card you get full (both) software packs.
with scope 6dsp project card you have to decide on wich pack to choose between synths n samplers pack and mix n masters pack.
go for the 14dsp card

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