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OK some questions for you Scope/PulsarHeads.

I have Scope Project 4.0, Synth Sampler Pack and Cubase SX3 plus outboard gear of virus c desktop and microkorg.

Using Scope mixer to rout synths into SX3 and midi out of SX3 to synths. So I record, mix and effect all in SX3.

Thought one day, well I have all these effects with Scope that I often read on here about how good they are but i dont use them. So I decide to experiment and routed an individual track from cubase back into the Scope mixer and add an insert effect (a delay) on that channel and route back into cubase to record. This worked fine. SO this got me thinking VSTfx v Scopefx.

Then while searching for opinions on VST v Scope fx on this forum I came across the method of mixing ALL tracks in Scope because it sounds better than mixing in Cubase. http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... =5&start=0
hmmmmm. I wanna try this when I get home. I am always up for making my tracks sound better. Plus the way that I see it is that I will have the options of using both VST fx and Scope fx and each individual track.

Now to my questions.

Should I create a new mixer in Scope to receive all the outs from SX or just go back to the mixer I use for the inputs from the synths (just using audio ins, dont have an AD convertor yet)?

If I find this method succesful, it looks like Optimaster and psyq would be handy additions. In other words the mix'n'master pack would be better that synth'n'sampler pack. Can I change/swap these packs? I hardly ever use the synths? (although one day I would like to get solaris/adern flexor/something like) virus c does most of what I require synth wise.

Also do I record the final mix back into cubase or somewhere else? VDAT? dont have it should i get it?

if you made it this far, thanks for reading and thanks in advnace for any replies.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: foot-e on 2006-07-19 00:44 ]</font>

On 2006-07-19 00:40, foot-e wrote:
...Should I create a new mixer in Scope to receive all the outs from SX or just go back to the mixer I use for the inputs from the synths (just using audio ins, dont have an AD convertor yet)?

you should choose one of the Scope mixers, the one that fits your needs (or taste) best, and have it receive ALL input signals.

The mixer's direct outs go to Asio destination channels for recording individual tracks in SX.
The master outs are connected to your monitors AND to an additional Asio pair to receive the stere mixdown (in SFP a single source can have multiple destinations in the routing).

This way you mix everything in SFP, SX just writes the files to disk.

Those tracks with VST instruments or effects are re-routed back into SFP via Asio source channels (from the SFP viepoint) and simply put on another mixer channel for tracking.

This introduces twice the latency that's selected in your ULLI settings control panel, because it's a complete round trip for the signal.
In some cases the additional (say) 6 to 10 ms don't matter, otherwise you adjust the displacement by the sequencer's latency compensation.

...Can I change/swap these packs? I hardly ever use the synths? ... virus c does most of what I require synth wise.

sorry, that's not possible - but most likely you will appreciate the content of the package (sooner or later)
It nicely complements your Virus and contains a high quality realtime pitch shifting time stretching sampler plus an improved Prophet VS (as one may call the Vectron) among some other goodies.

VDAT is a great product for tracking (in particular live), but it's exactly what it's name implies - a virtual digital tape recorder, just like a pile of Adats and it's also operated like them.

If you're used to 'sequencing' it may not fit your workflow, but as it's a part of the mix and master pack anyway, it's worthing checking.

If you're after the 'typical' sound of commercial airplay stuff - I mean just the sound, not necessarily the content then the latter package will fit perfectly - and it's very affordable for it's results.

cheers, Tom

ps - the Asio IO scheme above is just to illustrate the principle of working, in a real application you'd most likely choose approriate busses.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2006-07-19 02:40 ]</font>

Cheers Tom,

havent got around to trying it out yet, still mixing in cubase but next track could be worth a try.