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Just wondering if anyone can remember the first uses of pre recorded audio on albums. I'm probably not saying this right , so here's an example. Otis Redding's Dock Of The Bay, the song starts with the waves and seagulls while the bass brings in the intro. I hope I have made some sense. That song is what made me buy the first reasonably priced Emulator I. It wasn't really reasonable, but the other choices I had were the NED Synclavier, and the Fairlight CMI. Which most humans could not afford, except Micheal Jackson.>>>BTW a rather silly joke since I am a clown........Why Did Micheal Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley really get divorced?......There was a big misunderstanding when he said he wanted kids.................Ankyu,......Ankyu......Please stay seated.

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: scope4live on 2006-07-06 15:25 ]</font>

Stockhausen used prerecorded boys for his electronic piece "Gesang der Jünglinge". Musique Concrete, developed by Pierre Schaeffer and Pierre Henry was all started by using prerecorded material and this was way before the Stockhausen piece.

Mellotrons can be considered as instruments using prerecorded material too.

Or are you talking about hiphop?

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: paulrmartin on 2006-07-06 17:00 ]</font>

No not that stuff. Just trying to figure out who started this, and when.

Then look at Pierre Schaeffer and Pierre Henry in 1949

Maybe you need to narrow it down to the first use of pre-recorded music on a popular music record.



R

no, Paul has right, it's the exactly the way I see it

Compare it with the bikini, presented as totally new 60 years ago.
Yet there's a fresco from about 300 P.C that shows several woman wearing 'bikinis'.

It's hard to say what's 'pop music', for me it starts with Robert Johnson (1938), but it's easy to extend that back to the blues, ragtime etc. from the twenties, as that was pop(ular) music at the time.

Ok, if you narrow down popmusic to the definition the world today calls it, you still have to go back to the time of the first 'singles', as that is the technological base for the (modern) popmusic: you could only record songs that didn't last for longer than a few minutes.
Think of Rock 'round the Clock, Elvis and so on.

But you're right, Dock of the Bay must be one of the first good examples of using 'samples', btw. soon followed by Pink Floyd's Third, you know the first -breakfast- song?
'Marmelade, like marmelade'...

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2006-07-06 18:15 ]</font>

On 2006-07-06 17:48, nprime wrote:
Maybe you need to narrow it down to the first use of pre-recorded music on a popular music record.

R

That's what I meant when I asked about hiphop. Let's see what Jimmy says

We are getting closer to the silent film era now. I will try to hear this piece on the web.

On 2006-07-06 18:21, scope4live wrote:
We are getting closer to the silent film era now.

Exactly!! That's where it all started.
because it made people want sound!

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2006-07-06 18:46 ]</font>

Good article here:

http://emusician.com/em_spotlight/Pioneers_Sampling/

and a swift article here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_(music)

takes it from musique concrete in the 40s and upwards.

"Looking at a sampler the way it was used first—to try and simulate real instruments—you didn't have to get a session guitarist and you could just be like, 'Hey, I can have an orchestra in my track, and I can have a guitar, and it sounds real!' And I think that's the wrong way to use sampling. The right way is to get the guitar, and go, 'Right, that's a guitar. Let's make it into something that a guitar could never possibly be.' You know, take it away from the source and try to make it something else. Might as well just get a bloody guitarist if you want a guitarist. There's plenty of them." —Amon Tobin

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What a great article thank you. This is a great start 4 what I'm trying to do. I want to make a collage of sound effect history of some sort. When it started, etc. This may seem like a grand regression on my part, but I have always loved injecting non musical sound fx into my compositions. I also am a big fan of foley artist history. Anyone remember the Three Stooges? Could you imagine the on the fly type of talent that required. like when Curly would chug a bottle of liquid and you would hear the sound of a large cylindrical container dumping it's contents. As children we would laugh till our stomachs hurt. And of course all the natural human sound FX Curly would make. I realise that this seems childish, but we are all big boys who love our toys, like SFP right? You would be amazed how foley artists, and sound designers used and created such brilliance in their work. I bet Gigastudio is used quite alot by current day foley artists. I will keep researching this area of work, so any responses to anything would be appreciated as I plan on doing some rather off the wall stuff at my new gig. When we here at the Z bounce our international views, and ideas it becomes rather worldly to me. Great tips guys, thanks.

To Us, And Those Like Us,



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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: scope4live on 2006-07-06 20:12 ]</font>

The difference with the Three Stooges is that the sound FX guy was doing the sounds live offstage. Same technique as on radio programs in those days. For example, the poke in the eye was a slide up high pitched pizzicato violin(or a high mandolin or ukulele note, I'm not sure anymore). So you cannot say those sounds were prerecorded.

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: paulrmartin on 2006-07-07 03:58 ]</font>

If you're looking for pop with sound effects, here's a few from the 60s:

Leader of the Pack - ShangriLas
Good Morning - Beatles, Sgt Peppers
I Gotta See Jane - R Dean Taylor
Any early Mothers of Invention
Riders of the Storm - Doors

Mike

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S4L,

You might be interested in this website:

http://emfinstitute.emf.org/

It has been updated several times recently. I really wish that it provided more, and longer, examples of the pieces that it discusses.

Cory

This is a great little site, especially the chinese site, they have a rather large population which makes one wonder, how many of these guys are thinking of western style music. One look at the CME UF8 tells me somethings up and coming.

Thank You,