Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:25 am
Yesterday I finally found a (for me) easy way to really start using my Scope devices to the fullest in nuendo 3.
After reading about the "external effects" option in Nuendo I tried this with the Scope effects and it works as a breeze!
What I did was putting an 32/32 in/out asio2 driver in my Scope project. Like I always do Buss out to my analog out (scope 1+2) Set up an input for vocal recording and left some asio busses free for future use.
In Nuendo I created some external effects (in the vst configuration) f.i. Send = Scope 9 + 10 / Return - Scope 9 + 10 and in the Scope project I patched a Scope effect between the 9 + 10 ins and outs. In Nuendo I did a "detect latency" query in the vst configurator and voila! an external effect that can be used as if it was a native effect (without taxing the native cpu power).
To my surprise even the mixdown function (real time!) worked as a charm.
Only thing I need now (but that will take quite a while for me to figure out) is to build some midipanels for the most used Scope effects, so they can be controlled via midi from Nuendo. (I know it can be done, but that part left me clueless) My workaround for now is to switch between Scope project (where I do the settings for the effects) and Nuendo where I (for now) can only change send/return level and the delay compensation setting.
It would be a nice thing if Steinberg made a "external synth" option (which could almost work the same way) so the use of Scope synths as if they were native would be in reach without having to resort to XTC mode.
For now I found a workaround for this (which I only tested with Modular2 for now, since it got audio in/out, which can be used for detecting latency) is to patch (in the Scope project) the synth to a (what Nuendo thinks is) return buss.
Using the same buss as mentioned before, here's what I did. I Set up Nuendo like I said before, BUT instead of patching an effect this time I patched the Modular2. First as an effect (asio in --> out) to detect latency. I then disconnected the audio input of the Modular2 and connected a midi in to it. In Nuendo I created a midi track and an audio channel (could be an fx send channel, but audio gives more controll) and loaded the "external effect" (in this case the Modular2) as an insert. The midi channel gets the input of my hardware controller and goes out to the creamware midiout (connected in Scope project to Modular2 and the sequencer midi in) Now I played some stuff on my keyboard (which comes into Nuendo via the audio channel) and gets recorded to the midi track.
After that I disconnected (in Scope project) the creamware midi out ---> sequencer in, gave the midi track an unique midichannel and used the midi-in filter on modular2 to only recieve the wanted mididata.
This way I could 1) mixdown the complete track (Modular + Scope effects included) or I could mixdown the synth to audio and set up another synth, record it, etc.
This is surely the most flexible way of working I've ever experienced. This way you can use your scope compressors as inserts (since the external effects can be used both as send and as inserts) and I can even use f.e. a Scope effect (combined with uad stuff and native) on the modular2, from within Nuendo and be able to mix it down (realtime).
All I can say is: "I'm so damn glad I didn't get rid of my Creamware cards as planned". This thing ROCKS!! bigtyme!!
After reading about the "external effects" option in Nuendo I tried this with the Scope effects and it works as a breeze!
What I did was putting an 32/32 in/out asio2 driver in my Scope project. Like I always do Buss out to my analog out (scope 1+2) Set up an input for vocal recording and left some asio busses free for future use.
In Nuendo I created some external effects (in the vst configuration) f.i. Send = Scope 9 + 10 / Return - Scope 9 + 10 and in the Scope project I patched a Scope effect between the 9 + 10 ins and outs. In Nuendo I did a "detect latency" query in the vst configurator and voila! an external effect that can be used as if it was a native effect (without taxing the native cpu power).
To my surprise even the mixdown function (real time!) worked as a charm.
Only thing I need now (but that will take quite a while for me to figure out) is to build some midipanels for the most used Scope effects, so they can be controlled via midi from Nuendo. (I know it can be done, but that part left me clueless) My workaround for now is to switch between Scope project (where I do the settings for the effects) and Nuendo where I (for now) can only change send/return level and the delay compensation setting.
It would be a nice thing if Steinberg made a "external synth" option (which could almost work the same way) so the use of Scope synths as if they were native would be in reach without having to resort to XTC mode.
For now I found a workaround for this (which I only tested with Modular2 for now, since it got audio in/out, which can be used for detecting latency) is to patch (in the Scope project) the synth to a (what Nuendo thinks is) return buss.
Using the same buss as mentioned before, here's what I did. I Set up Nuendo like I said before, BUT instead of patching an effect this time I patched the Modular2. First as an effect (asio in --> out) to detect latency. I then disconnected the audio input of the Modular2 and connected a midi in to it. In Nuendo I created a midi track and an audio channel (could be an fx send channel, but audio gives more controll) and loaded the "external effect" (in this case the Modular2) as an insert. The midi channel gets the input of my hardware controller and goes out to the creamware midiout (connected in Scope project to Modular2 and the sequencer midi in) Now I played some stuff on my keyboard (which comes into Nuendo via the audio channel) and gets recorded to the midi track.
After that I disconnected (in Scope project) the creamware midi out ---> sequencer in, gave the midi track an unique midichannel and used the midi-in filter on modular2 to only recieve the wanted mididata.
This way I could 1) mixdown the complete track (Modular + Scope effects included) or I could mixdown the synth to audio and set up another synth, record it, etc.
This is surely the most flexible way of working I've ever experienced. This way you can use your scope compressors as inserts (since the external effects can be used both as send and as inserts) and I can even use f.e. a Scope effect (combined with uad stuff and native) on the modular2, from within Nuendo and be able to mix it down (realtime).
All I can say is: "I'm so damn glad I didn't get rid of my Creamware cards as planned". This thing ROCKS!! bigtyme!!
