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I'm going for the big SEM 4 voice sounds of the '70's. I'm sure you guys find this boring, but I have listened to all of the Mod II,Mod III, and Flexor patches this last week, and came to the conclusion that the big fat mono beast solo sounds need to be emulated. I have a long,long way to go, however I noticed that the patches are lacking in this area. I therefore will contribute in this area for it is where I came from. I have one small question to the ModGodz,.... Remember that song by Rush called Tom Saywer? That big fat Oberheim sound is from an 8 voice OBX-a in unison mode, 4 voice in the lower,and 4 voice mono/legato in the upper half. I have tried every Flexor filter to no avail. It is the emphasis, or resonance as they call it now days that I can't get out of any filters. Is it because I am using 5 ramp dividers on each Oscillator? I am baffled as I have put the filters pre VCA, post Mixer, vice/versa, and several other combos only to hear meagher amounts of resonance. I have completed several other emulations such as Emerson's Moog 100 series, ARP 2600's ala Herbie Hancock, and Dark Side Of The Moon's Echo Plexed Synths. But I cannot post this 1st patch of mine till I complete all presets to perfection, as I must prove myself worthy to remain amongst you.
So any tips would be appreciated.


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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: piddi on 2006-05-24 19:04 ]</font>

oh and just to be clear im no mod guru myself!

You Are Very Kind Sir,
I look forward to mastering this new form of modular synthesis and Scope in general. I have never had so much fun with the creation of sounds. I have a reputation with fat analogs, and the people I know in the industry are all watching how my rig is working. Many people in live venues are nervous with computers, and software. I hope to soothe their nerves with Scope/Giga DAW's.

To Us, And Those Like Us,

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Herr Voigt on 2006-05-25 15:11 ]</font>

Well I'll be damned. Unison just might make it so that I can still use the Ramp Dividers ( x 5 ) and 1 Oscillator. This could be the answer to using the dual Osc, 10 Ramp patch I've got going on. It sounds fat, but I bet I could still get the thickness thats required by using Unison and the Tape Drive, as opposed to doubling up the Ramps and waveforms. I will let you know how it works, Thanks Brother Voigt, from brother Vogts.


Ich Bin Zar Optimichtish,



Jimmy V.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: scope4live on 2006-05-26 19:53 ]</font>

Herr Voigt,
Your suggestion was good. Alfonso's little dev. works great. I cannot explain what it does, other than allowing me to delete 5 x Ramp Dividers, and 1 x Multi Oscillator.
I am however having difficulty w/ my Oberheim SEM emultion. It seems that I forgot what kind of filter I used back in the day, and using the LP8-Butter is not the answer. I know it was a 6-pole 24db lin./exp. module w/ combing, but it must have been a BP Filter of some sort. This causes me to experiment w/ the BP's, and the Ridge filters. I should have it done after work tonight. I doubt that guys are looking for that 1:1 emulation of the big analog mono/legato synths, but this is where I came from, and cannot continue further programming until I re-train myself in this area. I will probably have to chain a BP8-Butter with a Ridge to achieve this, but it is imperative that each preset emulates the desired effect, even though I have already sucseeded in the Moog Series 100, and ARP 2600S emulations, as these presets didn't require the same filtering.

May You Be Molested By Large Breasted Babes,




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Jimmy V.

P.S. Is there a reason my dev.'s are stored in Mod II, even though I made my patch from an empty Mod III shell, it only saves in Mod II. This is fine, but I am an old hardware convert, who feels out of place unless everything works as advertised. If there is a bug, should I stay in Mod II when I am in construction mode?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: scope4live on 2006-05-27 14:54 ]</font>

Unison just multiplies the midi messages so that more than 1 MIDI message package is generated for the same note. The fatnes is generated by the natural seriality of MIDI protocol, these note on messages are not exactly together but in very fast sequence,as the MIDI protocol dictates. This generates a phase shift between the generated multiple voices of that same note, and this produces fatness.

The difference between Modular 3 and 2 is not in where the device is saved, also because the software doesn't decide the saving folder on this difference, but in some functionalities of the 2 shells.

Basically Modular3 is just an upgrade for Modular2 with a new shell that has a more logical saving menu and the ability to make a little graphic surface with 16 assignable knobs, that I think it has its cost on the system memory, while Mod2 shell is preferred by many.
The upgrade consists also in some new modules perfectly loadable in a mod2 shell. So there is no bug as you describe, if you use a Mod3 or a Mod2 shell, you can put whatever modules you have keys for in each one, and the patch will remain the same as you saved it.

It works well with the ramp dividers, causing overall fatness x 2, due to the signal multiplications. Your littles dev.'s are working well 4 me. Thanks again paisano.
In honor of your inventiveness, and benevolence, I have named the 1st Modular device " Unison ". I will finish up with it after work tonight, I hope. The proper SEM filtering is difficult 4 me at this time, but
I believe I'll get it handled as soon as I find a filter combination that allows me to have the signal w/o attenuation when the resonance is cranked bipolarly. Then I will add the combing effect and that should do it.


Freedom Through Modular Synthesis,

alfonso wrote: The fatnes is generated by the natural seriality of MIDI protocol, these note on messages are not exactly together but in very fast sequence,as the MIDI protocol dictates. This generates a phase shift between the generated multiple voices of that same note, and this produces fatness.

Hey guys,

I'm sorry but I don't agree - IMO the fatness would be caused by polyphonic osc not being retriggered, and each osc cycle starting at pseudo random points and even drift in time. The same will be the case for other poly modules, like LFO's etcetera, especially when these aren't retriggered.
Reloading the patch would put these modules at pseudo random intervals again, so presets would not necessarily sound exactly the same each time one opens a project containing that setup. Using multiple "physical" oscillators with a slight detune would add to the randomness even more, it would force the osc to drift.

Retriggering osc/lfo's would cause the phase offset as you describe above, through MIDI delays.

I hope this makes sense

at0m.

Hoi scope4live,

Ramp divider is made to construct mathematical correct multiplications of Ramp. It's the same as the Harmonic Shaper "Harm", with amount set to a constant maximum. ReD made that module following my use of a single slow Ramp on an ASIO track, VDAT or in the project that masters all other sequencers and modulations. Each time when a sequence is complete, a longer ramp would trigger next sequence preset, and Ramp divider is made just for that.
One of my projects from the time Ramp Divider was added to Flexor v1.5 uses a single Ramp to write out the whole "tune" made up of patches with sequencers and modulations, running completely on DSP without any ASIO sequencer. This was merely a proof of concept and the song may only fit the more refined tastes

The harmonic shapers may/will cause aliasing, since they're mathematical and not necessarily musical. Anti-aliasing osc for example avoid frequencies that would cause aliasing, Aliasing osc would aliasing in hm a more musical way. Aliasing can be masked a bit with a Low Pass filter, or by using a higher sample rate that puts niquist at a higher frequency too, way beyond the audible spectrum...

Try out the other harmonic shapers for more variations on the same theme

Enjoy,

at0m.

Yo'Brotha'Man at0m,
I look forward to more of your brilliant replies. I will have to re-read your comment a few times to more thoroughly understand it's entire content.
I will be switching out modules until I can get the desired results.
But the Unison 6 allowed me to delete some
modules that weren't absolutely needed.
I played today for 15 hours!! I love the endless possibilities that Modular/Flexor allows. I created the most beautiful patch today from a mistake!! I had routed the MW LFO's output into the Osc. in such a way that when I cranked up the rate, it gave me a fixed pitch on the lowest 5 1/2 octaves of my controller, while allowing the remaining upper 22 notes to have relative pitch. This further caused the portamento to act as a flanging/portamento combination. The result was an incredibly
acurate sounding Didgereedoo in the lower registers, while the upper register was reminiscient of the Scottish War Pipes of the last millenium. This further baffled me as I suddenly had polyphony on a mono patch?!! It sounded fantastic, I would hold down 3 notes with my thumb and fingers, while using my pinky to re-trigger the flanging/portamento effect, all of this on my left hand, then play the pipes on my right. Of course I was smart enough to save it quickly. But I was saddend when I re-loaded it. It had mono only with just a fixed pitch for all registers. My Beautiful mistake was now an ironic tragedy, like the old Greek plays in ancient Athens. I always am intrigued by the mistakes I make. My Debussey/Rotary Pad patch 4 Solaris was a mistake in routing, but with the help of my fellow Pulsarians, I was able to figure out what the routings were, and have since been able to apply an authentic rotary emulation to any patch I want, without the tube saturation of course, as that was what I was trying to avoid.
I will do another 12-15 hours again tomorrow. I will reproduce that astounding freak show I created by mistake today. I found it interesting that I came up with 6 notes of polyphony on a mono patch. I'm thinking I freaked out the Unison 6 somehow. I pray I can get that sound back, for I have never heard anything like that before. Even though I am obcessed with re-captivating my teenage analog days, I really crave sounds which no one else uses, or has heard for that matter.
At any rate I am glad to converse with all of you ModGodz. I also hope to continue learning this dynamic platform of ours, till I can help teach the next brave group of synth junkies that come along.
Maybe someday 4 or 5 of us could perform together in a local strip club here playing futuristic high tech dance/strip music. We will call ourselves the ModGodz.
We will dress like Ceasar and Marcus Aereilius, you know the white sheets and robes they wore, allowing us to accept sexual gratuities while performing. Now that's what I call loyalty to your artform.

Be Free, Be Modular,







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Jimmy V.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: scope4live on 2006-05-27 22:41 ]</font>

Not trying to hog the thread, but I want to try to download your "tune" to my USB HDD, as my internet computer has no soundcard. Is this possible? I'm dying to open my mind and ears to anything related to Modular.

Beautiful Dreams Cause Horrible Nightmares,

Of course that's possible. Just plug the USB stick into your internet machine, and right-click on the link and save it to the USB stick. You may have to restart your web browser after plugging in the stick, or save it to disk and then move it from explorer...

Ankuvarymush.

at0m,
Dude, I had no idea that this was concieved all in Scope. It is exactly what I'll be doing in August. My partner will be demanding many rehearsals in June. Right now I am listening to 6 of his Kyma loops, which are really very similar to what you have going, with the exception of his pre recorded audio loops which he blends on the go.My role in this matter is to scope4live'n things up with Solaris chords,Modular FX,and lead licks, and he says I play guitar parts on the keys better than guitarists around town. He caught my cover band here in Janruary playing Mahavishnu Orchestra where I was covering all the acoustic guitar parts by McLaughlin, and the Violin w/ phaser parts by Jean Luc Ponti, he was floored as he never heard that great music from the '70's. That is where I came from, so I will add the old, while he adds the new. It is a refreshing DJ/Keyboardist approach to a new thing here in Vegas. We have a built in crowd as the club is in a casino, where they spent 7 million on lights and sound.I have been watching 2 different adds for it everyday. I will asking 4 your help, I hope you continue to do so. But keep in mind, I must literally read your explanations over and over as I am still familiarizing myself with yet more new terminology in the naming of modules from Flexor, and CW. I guarantee that any info you throw at me , I will soak up like a spunge. This is the first time I will have union stagehands, and our own LD's with totally automated systems. Pre production starts in July at the club before it opens.This could be a great home for Scope. I will be using my Rotary cabinet's little mic's and direct outputs to FOH and just my 2 x controllers and my racks. I hope you could explain what you did on the "tune"to me as I am currently asking Wolf for his input with sequencing in Scope w/o all that ASIO stuff. I already have 21 years experience with hardware sequencers like the QX-1, and Roland MC-500MkII. So I am not green by any means. Also have old sequences which I am currently trying to convert to SMF through new software I aquirred last month. I use to sit around and sequence Wagners Tristan and Isolde, Birds Of Fire by Mahavishnu, and anything I loved just 4 the sake of privately rehearsing in my hours off. You see when you play as much music I don't care 4, to make a $, it forces one to better himself to clear one's head of commercial pollution. I wish to know about wolf's sequencer in detail, and anything I can learn from you such as using VDAT w/ a sequencer inside Scope triggering the audio. So you see I wish to work with nothing but this german masterpiece. It has given me such beautiful dreams, and such horrible nightmares that nothing else captivates me except the beautiful woman lurking over my shoulder with a tray of sushi 4 me. She just saved you from my endless ranting, I must go. Please let us continue this correspondance.

Scope And Sex, I Wish To Die Of These,



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Jimmy V.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: scope4live on 2006-05-28 18:14 ]</font>

You may want to check out this project. It's the one I explained above, and it makes a basic version of the tune linked to there, if I remember correctly.

The ramp there is in the "master" patch, for instant BPM changes. But you could put it in VDAT along with other recorded controls or audio as you see use for that. As I said, this project is more a proof of concept, it's all yours to add external keyboard input and more CC# etcetera...

If you have any questions, I'd be happy to try and help you out

Enjoy!

[edit - oops, the file seems no longer available on my website... will upload it to planetz the moment I find it!]
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: at0m on 2006-05-28 20:32 ]</font>

at0m,
I am anxious to hear more of your stuff. It is exactly that type of programming that I must evolve into. This is the future 4 me, as I have played all other styles, this is so refreshing, especially if I can contribute my old style to it, while hopping on the new train. Scope is actually forcing me into contemporary times. I was nervous about this gig, but I have done a couple hours worth of rehearsing with these grooves he made with Kyma, and I could probably do the same stuff in Scope. The guy I bought my DP box from wants to buy it back 4 the same price. So I will be switching around some parts and building a new Scope DAW with the help of GaryB. This time I will have 3 x 15 DSP's, 4 the platform has convinced me of it's awesome value and power. This box will be Scope only. I am sure that I will use John Bowens QWave, and several Modulars w/ it. I am extremely excited about this summer.BTW I am copying all the neat dev.'s this DP programmer made before I sell it back to him. I think he's gonna start a studio here in town, and he has alot of clout w/ mastering facilities all over the west coast. I called him to get the DP software which was suppose to come with the DAW, and instead he offered me 4000 USD to buy it back. Since I made several thousand more while I used it last year, I jumped on the offer. As this will be more than sufficient to build a triple 15 w/o all the bells and whistles which are not needed.
I have already decided to go with an all Intel solution again, as it has not crashed once since last July, and the box GaryB built me has not crashed since December '05.
So the size of my Project on the new box will be of no consequence. My 3 card box will run Solaris w/ 8 voices,B2003,Modular/Flexor, and several AUX effects w/o incident, so I imagine the 3 x 15 box will be awesome!!

Strength Through Superior DSP's,

hey,

The ramps' project is back online...

Hope you can get some idea's from it

at0m.