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After looking forever for this synth and upgrading to Scope 4.5 and wanting the Pro-12 now I find the elusive Pro Plus. What is the difference between the two and should I even consider Mr. Bowen's product. (be mindful that I used to play the orginal hardware version) any thoughts?

On 2006-02-10 16:15, Crickstone wrote:
After looking forever for this synth and upgrading to Scope 4.5 and wanting the Pro-12 now I find the elusive Pro Plus. What is the difference between the two and should I even consider Mr. Bowen's product. (be mindful that I used to play the orginal hardware version) any thoughts?

Crickstone, here's my take on it - the version I made is more of a "what I'd do if the Prophet 5 were being made today". I tweaked some functional things in the Poly Mod section (bipolar amounts, more individual routing), added 24 dB Highpass and Bandpass filter choices, Wav Oscs for sample playback, and incorporated much of the Prophet T8-type aftertouch modulations. There's also a more flexible LFO section, FX, etc., etc...hence the 'Plus' part of the name.

As for the sound - mine uses the CEM emulation for oscs and Lowpass filter. I've heard that the Pro-12/Profit version has a SSM filter emulation, but I don't actually have it to compare for sure with my Rev 1 hardware.

Maybe there's someone who has both out there? I'd be equally curious as well as to impressions comparing both (and I honestly don't feel you would go wrong with either one - I say purchase whichever one fulfills your needs better, etc.).

cheers,
john b.

Hi,

I own both, and I use John's one. I find it less harsh, more medium (but it could be the presets which give this feeling). More possibility to XTC users as there is insertable FX.

Cheers

Michel

I have both and find myself using the Prophet Plus more - it's more flexible and sounds as good if not better than the other. The ability to load wav's is a great bonus - you can do some great things with wav's with the filter and modulation options.

Thanks John et al for your input. I've put it on my list of what to buy from Zarg...very soon..

I recently heard the P Plus, should have known it was a J.Bowen synth. The unison sounds I heard were very convincing in the studio. I noticed the lag processor works just like the real synth. Someone was really paying attention to detail. I find that some synths weren't designed with the accuracy of mono playing in mind.

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Yeah, it helps when the guy who designed the original is doing it!

R

Long Live The King!!

<font size="smaller">On 2006-02-11 05:04, MD69 wrote:
"I own both, and I use John's one. I find it less harsh, more medium (but it could be the presets which give this feeling). More possibility to XTC users as there is insertable FX."</font>

I'm wondering, is this Profit-5:
http://www.cwaudio.de/page.php?seite=profit5&lang=en
... the same as the Pro-12?

And should I have a Pro-12 XTC/VST? Neither Pro-12 or the Minimax seems to have any .dll files installed in the XTC plugin directory.

Am I missing something vital here?
(I'm still pretty new to the Scope platform, but I must say the sound quality is outstanding.)

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flips

Hi

Profit 5 is the old name of pro 12.

You should have dll installed. if not, reinstall your pro12.

Cheers

I should probably know this, but I'm not afraid of being called a "n00b", so I'll ask right out:
Is there another easy way to install the synth than to run the Scope 4.5 setup program? (I do know where the .oxe files are, but a search in the PDF's didn't reveal any easy way of adding modules.) For third party stuff I've just copied the .mdl and .dev files into a proper directory ...

(Feel free to RTFM me, but please tell me which fine manual file I should read.)

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flips

if I'm right you can put the oxe file in the oxe folder.
After launching SFP it asks for the key to import

you can actually just double-click the oxe-file and it will install. it will then tell you to restart scope. when u do, it asks for key. thats it.

Thanks! Putting the files in the oxe folder worked. (Double clicking didn't work. The .oxe files is not associated with any application in my Windows installation.)
Putting the files in the folder works well, though ...

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flips

I have noticed that CWA has very punchy presets to catch your attention, but if you delve more deeply into Zarg's stuff you might have to boost a little bit, but that's where the real beauty lies. Take it from an old analog hardware convert like me, this guy has unlocked the platform for us.