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[ I put this in another thread, but it is so relevant, I thought I'd start a topic off with it. I have been looking for a multitrack editor, since Tripledat is 16 bit and non-XP. Such as Protools 6.7, Samplitude, etc. Why don't CW upgrade Tripledat? They'd sell loads - perhaps!]
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There is a discussion of DAW quality, based around a test cd, here:

http://www.mercenary.com/3dauawdawsum.html

Also a discussion forum (with hardly any mentions of Creamware! but those that are, are positive), there is loads of interesting stuff here:

http://www.3daudioinc.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

>>> I still am no further down the line on mixing etc. My wife has just got an Imac with Garageband 2 and has plugged in a mic and a Korg X5D, and has written several great songs in no time at all - and they 'sound' great too! (Logic instruments in GB2, new Core audio...). Talk about going native!

I am thinking of getting an MBox (Protools LE 6.7) and use spdif output from the main CW pc, into the MBox laptop, track by track, for mixing etc at 24 bits/48KHz. Anyone done this?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: geoffd99 on 2005-03-31 10:45 ]</font>

very good idea to give it an own thread

I've read through a part of the discussion in the 2nd link and found it pretty cool - that discipline in preparing and judging the mixes is remarkable. At least now everyone has a blueprint how to do his or her own benchmark setup...
but the result descriptions - lots of words for you, kensuguro left me with one question: do we all compensate our non-linear response of the 2 sideholes in our heads the same way... ?

Creamware is Fairlight btw (if they used that OEM thing)

cheers, Tom

Well there isn't much mention of Fairlight, and it is too boring to buy the CD just to find out if they rate it.
They have a huge discussion of an earlier cd, Neve vs Protools, where they all moan about PT being too flat, etc, despite more detail (the old digital = cold thing).
I hardly ever record real instruments so it's all a bit irrelevant. Do most CW people do techno / synth + sampler studio music? Seems that way sometimes. (I mean, I do!!). Vocals I record via a small Mackie mixer, thru Vinco, then the A-100 reverb, all fine. Also, any decent mastering studio will ramp up the sound anyway. I have Optimaster which is great, but I wouldn't master my own stuff, except for own use.

I still haven't quite bought the Protools MBox, I am resisting the whole concept, but to take a song/album to a big studio for editing etc, they like PT... rather than a load of exported tracks side by side.





<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: geoffd99 on 2005-04-05 16:42 ]</font>

On 2005-04-05 08:38, geoffd99 wrote:
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but to take a song/album to a big studio for editing etc, they like PT... rather than a load of exported tracks side by side.

Well, i would say, big (or small) studio work FOR you, you don't have to 'please' them, THEY have to make you happy, you pay them lots of $ for exactly for that.

So, my way of thinking is, you pay, you choose, client is king, and if they are THAT big, well, they should also have Nuendo/cubase/logic...

So, this protools versus other stuff is irrelevant.

24 tracks of pristine audio quality in 24 bits made with VDAT is all they need, i assure you! If they can't manage this, CHANGE STUDIO!

My .02 cents

yes it was more to speed things up, since I also need an interface for my laptop, the MBox looked interesting, as it has PT LE 6.7, and 2 mic preamps (as my Mackie mixer has moved rooms).

Yeah, the preamp on the mbox, are ok, well, a bit more than ok

But, USB1 of the mbox is a bit flakey, dropout can happen at anytimes recording 2 track in 24bits/44.1khz. That's what i've seen using it so far anyway.

Hmm the range of laptop boxes seems to be:
Digidesign Mbox
Lexicon Omega
Mackie Spike
E-Mu 1616m cardbus (PCM)
Various others like Motu Audiophile.

The first three have big software packages. The Spike looks quite good. I am thinking that 4 or more outputs would be useful for live work, so I might wait for the E-Mu 1616m which has 2 mic preamps and mastering grade converters (allegedly). It is out soon.

My need is for a playback box for rehearsing and live work, rather than a multiple input box like the Omega.

There is a genral discussion of all these at:

http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread ... 067&page=1

I am getting a Focusrite Saffire, if you are interested!