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Hello,

I have a question, because I'm unsure which reverb plugin I should use/buy.

First, some background information about me and ma system.

I'm a musician who made Soundtracks and Film-Scores. Most of my tracks are orchestral arrangements by using huge sample libraries.
In the past, I've worked with Cakewalk Sonar 3 and used the Lexicon Pantheon Reverb Plugin and I'm very lucky with.
Because of some contracts, I'm using also Cubase-SX for some work now, but my prefered Reverb plugin, the Pantheon, don't work with Cubase because it's exclusively for Sonar only.

In my master computer there are also 2 Crewamare cards. One Scope-Home System and a Puslar-SRB for additional DSP's. Overall I've 7 DSP's in my SFP Setup. I'm using regulary the STS-4000 sampler and some smaller plugins from the SFP-Home.

Now, I'm looking around for reverb plugin which I can use on both systems, Sonar and Cubase. I gave the Masterverb Classic from my Scope-Home a try, but I'm not very lucky with it.
Very lucky I'm with the Waves-IR1 (a convolution reverb), which I've evaluated and maybe I'll buy this. But, a convolution reverb like the IR1 isn't very usable during composing and arranging steps, because it's too CPU hungry.
On my wishlist (and maybe many others too) is a convolution reverb for the SFP, but currently not available.

Now, fine would be a reverb plugin for the SFP, which sounds comparable like the Waves-IR1, so I could save the extra money for the IR1 (the IR1 is really expensive).

Anyone here have doing some comparisions with the top rerverbs for SFP (A-100, Masterverb Pro etc.) with convolutions reverbs like Waves IR1?

Maybe, I do buy the Waves-IR1 for final production steps and buy a cheaper SFP reverb, which sounds better as the Masterverb Classic.

Or maybe, I do buy the best SFP reverb available and try to become lucky with it for all. In the past I was lucky at all with the native Lexicon Pantheon reverb plugin which also is a algorythmic reverb.

I'm really unsure what I should do, because I don't know much about the SFP reverbs.

I hope anyone here can give me some success or no-success stories about SFP reverbs.

Which is in your opinion the best reverb for SFP and it's comparable to good native reverb plugins?

Thanks.

regards.
Markus

hi,
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On my wishlist (and maybe many others too) is a convolution reverb for the SFP, but currently not available.
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The MasterverbPro is a convolution reverb, but you might consider SonicTimeWorks plate reverb which sounds great according to people here at the Z. However I wasn't successful in installing it,as it uses a different installation protocol, almost everyone has been successful, well everyone I guess, so I can't tell ya how it sounds but probably better than the MasterverbPro. But if you're looking for a convolution reverb you should consider the MasterverbPro, I'm using it and sounds great for me.

cheers,

didier.

ps: you can still try the demo at SonicTimeWorks.

I'd definitely go with the SonicTimeworks reverbs too.

And BTW, MasterVerb Pro isn't a convolution reverb. Given the nature of a convolution, you need a good chunk of a signal (a few thousand samples usually, depending on the paritioned convolution algo used) before you can start the processing, which introduces fairly high latency levels (150-200ms-ish.) Also, I don't think there's enough memory on the Scope boards to get a nice convolution algo (I would love to be proven wrong on this tho =P.)

i think the MasterVerb Pro might be a good starting point too. i haven't got the STW verbs yet, though P-100 is deffo next purchase on my list (you can always try the demos of these anyway).

You might still be able to get MasterVerb Pro in the half-price bonanza (that's how i got it). BTW, MasterVerb Classic that you are using is a cut-down of the regular MasterVerb, so you really are using the lowest end reverb at the moment.

Try the STW demos. However, if you are set on using a native convultion for your final sounds, then maybe they are too specialised and MV Pro might be a better all-rounder (and useful for other parts of your mix too).

Mr A

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If you're using massive reverb tails then you might prefer the Masterverb to the Masterverb Pro (someone on the forums claimed that the Pro's room modelling made the tails less smooth).

For Impulse/Convolution based reverb you might check out SIR v1.008 which is completely free and works well enough for most purposes. Another option would be Voxengo's Pristine Space VST which supports multiple channels and seems to be a lot lighter on cpu than the Waves IR1. Also there are quite a few places on the web where you can download free impulses.

We could also have an entire discussion on mixing techniques using native and Scope-based verb algorithms as how each reverb is used affects the mix as much if not more than the actual algorithms in use. Convolution nor resource hungry plate reverbs are not always a necessity and can then be used only to add spice to a mix that's otherwise quite alive with subtle use of other tools.