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Things have been pretty quiet on the Adern front lately...anyone heard anything about the released date for Flexor v2?

Personally I find this Flexor situation to be very sad -- CW is forced into bankruptcy protection due to an apparent overcommitment to Noah, which evidently is failing to sell. At the same time, Flexor, which would certainly generate some quick revenue for CW, is now close to 3 months overdue, with no release date in site.

What are the odds of CW not becoming yet another sorry instance of a company that is capable of producing brilliant audio hard/software, but fails due to piss poor marketing?

Regards
GK

well, situation normal, but why worry?

Let the folks work, they are busy people, and life takes turns.

Great things will come, and sometime soon

On 2004-07-10 09:54, braineeter wrote:
...At the same time, Flexor, which would certainly generate some quick revenue for CW, is now close to 3 months overdue, with no release date in site...

Eyes Wide Shut
from all I know about 3rd party sales figures I (sadly) assume that you're as far from the truth as can be

I have no details about Adern and just 'interpolate' from the many give ups, public statements, online surveys regarding CWA 3rd party stuff.

It's a true shame that something like Flexor isn't honored more by customers, specially as RedMuze explicetely set the price level so low that noone was excluded due to budget pressure.
Do people mess it with hobby stuff ???

I just read a comparison of transient processing tools, like the SPL Transient Designer - where the only 'high quality candidates' (except SPL and the CWA version) were by Sony and Waves, reaching from 500 to 7000 (!) Euro.
Could it be that the 'pro studio scene' doesn't accept anything below 200 bucks as an acceptable tool ?

In fact marketing is the key element for sales figures, but if people aren't aware that they can actually have a main influence by honoring user friendly prices, the 'professional' solution of this problem might end in a shocking awakening some day.

my 2 cents - and I really hope to be wrong with my concerns, Tom

Relax folks,
ReD_MuZe made this announcement a few weeks back on the Adern forums:

http://www.adern.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=277

Flexor2 will be late, but only because ReD_MuZe is so busy on production work.

Ben

I´ll buy v1.5 today, hope this helps

Flexor 1.5 (that's 1.0 plus the free addons that bring it to 1.5) is such a gold mine of possibilities that are still largely unused by most of the people... Let's have patience, it's true, developers are driven more from passion and intellectual commitment, and ReD MuZe is a real example of this, than from the revenues, their main activity has to be another one. But I really suggest to dig in what we have, because it's amazingly good and vaste.

That's true alfonso. How many patches have we uploaded using possibilities unique in mod-flexor? few. By the way i 'm thinking that a great problem is the buggy mod III shell. I 'm cleaning these days about 300 patches with no presets (due to broken lists) and i convert them to mod 2(old preset list) so to be able to program some sounds that will be remembered... I 'm planning also to make a thread about modular bugs (not many), so new users can pass the "find it in your own" situation. The mod III shell also takes more time to load, and it pops all that "do you want to save me" shit. I will upload a pad machine i created yesterday which is something huge i beleive. What i dream? Mod 4, flexor 2. Get some ideas from clavia, (like mutator), or reaktor patch morphing. But if nothing happens? I 'm happy with mod 2- flexor for instruments. modIII shell for static patching (cause it saves right the fx settings with the project something mod2 don't).

I've wasted too many hours ( like ) in Mod III shell too ...
I hope ( praying in fact ) the CWA management will envision some Clavia G2 kind of thing and put some focus on it ( once ASBoxing is finished / new stuff released ) and support definitely talented third parties.
In the meantime I started to spend some in Doepfer A-100 ...

To be fair we should mention the sound. Creamware modular has better sound than clavia even at 44100. (g2 works at 96). We have more resources and more polyphony, and superior fx. (i have 21 dsp). Every system has it's limitations and as i find very user-friendly and fast clavia's system i know that i don't want to mess with "slot" memory, or dsp per slot and things like that. In case of reaktor there isn't a lot to do (or say) since it's sound is... shit. By the way do you have an idea about the kind of modules in the flexor 2 package? or you (we) just want some more? What module do we really miss? (i can't think of any)

On 2006-02-22 15:45, stardust wrote:
Well, flexor 1.5 is nice. And ... fair priced. I'll wait for 2.0 patiently.

I was just wondering if maybe I should get Flexor. I guess I also get a 2.0 licence if I buy 1.5 today. And I guess I will have enough modules to play around with until 2.0 arrives ...

So how cool is Flexor?
I mean, it's modest priced and looks cool, but there's so many synths and stuff I could buy to my Scope platform, like Zarg Music seems to have interesting stuff, though more expensive ... (If this is properly discussed in another thread, feel free to redirect me there.)

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flips

yes, in technical terms it's an extension - but regarding content it's a completely new sound incarnation

it's my least used Scope synth, because it's the biggest time killer of all...
my humble apologies to it's creators that I can't give it the attention it truely deserves
it usually ties (at least me) much longer to the screen than originally expected - always a journey into new sounds...

even their small 'example' patches have an incredible depth - it's not just modifications (like many synths do with follow-up FXs), but Flexor builds it's new creations from the ground up - like a completely different processing engine.

it's exactly what reviews usually associate with the attributes 'analog and expensive' - one can only win with Flexor.

cheers, Tom

Actually I don't really need a new synth or to extend my Modular III right now ... But both Flexor and Zrag's Solaris and the Ambient RD looks so nice ...

I still have much depth to dvelve into with my Modular and all my other synths, but maybe Flexor makes constructing useful sounds quicker? Or is just gonna steal even more time?

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flips

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well, my ironic remarks about Flexor as a time killer are more related to my own weakness to get drifted away by sound experiments...

all 3 products you mention are excellent in both sound quality and value-for-money

on Zarg's products you clearly benefit from John's decades of experience as a synth designer - everything is in place and well tuned.

Flexor on the other hand (whatever you do with it) adds this completely different flavour of sound that isn't present in any other Scope synth.
Not to forget that it's a creation on it's own, no emulation of anything existent.

you don't need complicated patches to use it, just replace a few modular items by flexor 'equivalents'.
flexor's extended control and modulation functions are an additional bonus, but the afforementioned sound (which is very individual) is present immediately.

if you HAVE TO decide between one OR the other then it's one of the most unpleasant decisions one can imagine - in sound processing context
fortunately I have both...

cheers, Tom

It's always hard to choose, isn't it?
Well, I'll probably end up buying both Flexor and eventually the Solaris, but I need to get used to the concept and stuff, and I have so much potential in all my (for me) new Scope synths. I haven't explored half if it yet, so no rush on my part, and what is more urgent, is that I need more MIDI controllers.

But talking about Zarg: There's more than the Solaris available, but it seems Solaris is the most original and versatile of the synths, right? Maybe I could/should ask for a demo version ...

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flips

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