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from the CWA site, you can now get a NOAH EX "final edition" for 1.111 Euros and these will be the last NOAH's made.

We will terminate the production of the Noah in its present form to make space for new products meeting the demands of the markets for more and more inexpensive prices. Normally, we would never be able to offer the Noah for just 1,111 EUR – the highly complex design offers more possibilities than the majority of users would ever need. Therefore, we had to take extraordinary measures: Today, we offer you an ultimate special edition of 111 units – the Noah EX Final Edition – for a special price of only 1,111 EUR per unit.

btw. It seems there is now a section of the online shop for hardware too. At the moment you can only order this NOAH, but it also has a section "PCI systems". So hopefully we'll be able to buy the cards directly from CWA in the future.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: King of Snake on 2004-06-29 07:49 ]</font>

interesting development for sure. The NOAH seemed like a great idea, but I guess it's just not very practical to support it next to the PCI cards for CWA in it's current form.
Let's hope this means that a follow-up to the Pulsar/Scope cards is going to be developed instead.

More, I'm waiting for a follow-up on NOAH itself.

Hmmm well that's a possibility, but I don't think it's very likely. I'd say in order to develop a "Noah 2" they'd first need to update their PCI line since the Noah (the current one) is based on the Scope platform. It seems more likely that they will put their resources to upgrading Scope than to upgrading Noah, or both.

or this can be a summer sale. you never know.

Well, I'm afraid Noah just wan't what the public wanted. From what I could tell, editing software synthesizers on a text-based LCD wasn't the most intuitive thing in the world, and if it were plugged into a PC, Scope was a far better deal. Except that it was OSX-compatible, it didn't really have anything that Scope didn't offer.

If I were doing live performances, I'd want the sounds of Scope, and in the studio, I want the sounds of Scope, so, uh...

Shayne

I think that at this price it's a real bargain. If you consider it a competitor with all other hardware expanders, it wins hands down on quality, now at a price that has no equal in it's cathegory...

Regarding the editing possibilities, think that even a cheap and small notebook is more than you need to run the graphical interface, as everything happens in the machine.

EX version means that you could for example have a full polyphony B2003, a Minimax, a Pro Tone and a Vocodizer, plus two audio inputs for the mic and a...guitar? Yes, at higher gain my single coil guitar works quite smooth in it....even without D.I.box!

What the hell you buy for that money?

What the hell you buy for that money?

for that money? 2nd hand clavia modular
for original price? G2

Alfonso, we've been talking about this number of times,
if Noah would allow loading modular patches, i'd drool from both sides of my mouth just thinking about possibility of taking them live.
i am still cold about that box.

Well Michu, I know well, and I totally agree that a Noah hosting Modular could have been a mystical experience...

But from the point of view of the pro live performer, adding a Noah to his usual palette of working tools at this price is very very attractive. It's not a modular, but sounds super and offers some otherwise unavailable features....The quantity of stuff (of such quality) you can have simultaneously playing in the EX version, is more than many key players are able to carry at a gig...

For the studio of course a Scope is way better....

pro live player? hehe
you mean noodling prog type able to use all that stuff live without sequencing help?
if i was one, i'd think about 2nd hand Kurz, they come with a decent keyboard attached to them... and a semimodular engine
fortunately i am not even remotely close to being one of pro live players

It seems more likely that they will put their resources to upgrading Scope than to upgrading Noah, or both.

But Scope works great as it is, NOAH lacks many things to be as great among synths than Scope is among studio solutions.

But damn, for that money... hell, should I?

*fingering my VISA*

Bold move to terminate Noah, but a smart one. I think prospective customers have a hard enough time getting their heads around the Scope concept.

Also, I can't imagine what the manufacturing costs for Noah are, but I bet that the case, LCD, knobs, etc, cost as much as the physical board itself, if not more.

Let's cut the losses and move on. Good job.

But Scope works great as it is, NOAH lacks many things to be as great among synths than Scope is among studio solutions.

Sure but the Scope cards have to get a hardware/software update at some point in the future if CWA don't want to play catch-up with native processing.

Yeah, the software could use a few improvements (like better handling of device labeling to make the Live Bar easier -- very important!), and the hardware could use an upgrade (new DSP chips, PCI Express). But generally the platform has reached such a mature state that it's as good a buy now as it was two years ago. How often do you see that?

Shayne

Well, I have to jump in here and defend the Noah. I think it's great value for the money. This may not be the case for a Scope user who already owns Minimax and the other instruments that are part of Noah, but for someone who doesn't, it's a bargain. You get 10 DSP chips (the eleventh doesn't count), plus all those great instruments and effects. Once I added up the cost of purchasing the plugins I wanted and additional DSP power separately, it made complete sense for me to add a Noah to my setup. Not to mention the fact that I can use it in a live situation.

Having said all that, it would be a tough decision between a Noah EX and a G2 Modular.

BTW, did anyone else notice that the CW site states that they are terminating production of Noah 'in its present form'? Maybe they do have a Noah 2 up their sleeves.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Joxer the Mighty on 2004-06-30 12:35 ]</font>

On 2004-06-30 12:33, Joxer the Mighty wrote:
BTW, did anyone else notice that the CW site states that they are terminating production of Noah 'in its present form'? Maybe they do have a Noah 2 up their sleeves.

Or a third party developer? Seems to me that would be the smarter way to go.

(Unless that 3rd party was Roland... or Alesis... bleah... )

Johann

The inherent problem remains, how do you differentiate Noah for the masses from any other rackmount synth?

The fact is that all of us Scope users understand what makes the technology great. Just talking about SFP alone: routing, mixing, sampling, effects, synthesis (even with exact component modelling), and the list goes on. Most of these things are available in Noah, with some exceptions. How do you market that? That's were the weakness lies.

Consumers are having a hard time understanding the feature set, and why it's better than other rackmounts. Great idea, poor marketing execution.

(Unless that 3rd party was Roland... or Alesis... bleah... )

Yeah, what is it with Roland these days. i love old Roland gear (up to and including the JD-800) and have lots of stuff: CR-78, SH-09, R-8M, MC-202,JD-800/990, currently after a Roland Space Echo, but all their new stuff is awful grooveboxes, no innovation and rubbish construction.

Mr A

Having said all that, it would be a tough decision between a Noah EX and a G2 Modular.

Yeah. I'm having that exact problem right now
Would it be wasted money to spare for both..?

BTW, did anyone else notice that the CW site states that they are terminating production of Noah 'in its present form'? Maybe they do have a Noah 2 up their sleeves.

Yeah, I saw that. And it makes me go for G2 I think... G2 is great as is (is it really, never touched one?) but NOAH needs some things to suit my taste perfectly.

But there is something about the sound of Clavias. I until recently owned an original Modular, and sold it because I just couldn't handle the sound. If you like the Nord sound, you probably won't get disappointed, but it's nowhere like a Virus, Minimoog or Waldorf.