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At first it look great. Creamware Cards distinguish themselves from other Audio Cards because they're not only hardware, but also a big amount of software.

Nice?

As long as you want all this software that comes with it. But what if you want only certain software? Then you pay a lot of money for software you don't desire.
No problem: Sell the undesired software to others who want it?

No, you even have to pay for such a transfer. So you actually pay to get less!!!

So the point in which the Creamware Cards distinguish themselves from other Cards (the huge amount of software), has become the point of the greatest irritation.

Conclusion: You'd better go for normal hardware Audio Cards, so that you can choose the software of your own desires!

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=10&37

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=1&19

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=10&95

'nuf threads already innit?

In this thread I want to point out that the advantages of a Creamware Card compared to other Audio Cards aren't as great as they seem.

Conclusion: You'd better go for normal hardware Audio Cards, so that you can choose the software of your own desires!

ok a new thread

reply:
whow...if you'd buy the same included software somewhere else, well aiaiai, it's a big number you'll get to pay...in plain euro!
you must feel very frustrated about the rereg charge, isn't it?

These are the only cards you can bet on:

His father sold his Pulsar-II for a Soundblaster, and now little Jemail has to look for blank CDs on a rubbish tip.

someone please move this thread to enternal oblivion. There are already enough threads about the very same topic.

O.K. Please move this topic under my other thread: http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=1&46

just my opinion.
you're crazy.
you're spending way too much energy on your hate.
just my opinion and those change...

respect.

more directly.
cwa plugs are better quality than most software plugs(hardware quality).
the sound quality of the card is among the best in the business for a moderate price with many routing and i/o possibilities.

it could be argued that the software devices are a freebie extra to a high quality i/o and internal routing system(checked the price of comparable hardwaree devices lately?)...

and the "tax" is only on the transfer of OPTIONAL items so the solution is easy... don't buy things you don't want or pay the fee(17.50 for both the sender and receiver).

I hope these dudes who are pissed off at cwa have devices to sell otherwise they simply bored and need time to spend beating on CWA and the platform as a whole.

Creamware gives you a choice to download a demo plugin for 60 minutes. If you download the demo and use it for a solid 60 minutes it may be enough for you to decide if it is what you want or not.

It always come down to 2 things
1. live with it
2. get rid of it

my 1.46 CDN cents

About the Cards, the Scope is a PCI Card meant for Sound, so you could still call it a Soundcart to my opinion. Just as well as you call a Card for Video a Videocard.
But I know Soundcart reminds too much of those Soundblaster, Game Cards and that kind of cheap stuff.

So what should I have to call it then, Audio System, or something else?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ashkenazy on 2004-05-13 13:50 ]</font>

it is an audio card actually.
Sound cards are those like SB.

from the very beginning CWA distinguished their products from sound card or I/O cards
by always highlighting that it is more that both. that is due to the flexibility of the software and plugins.

on another note: assume you want to treat this platform as you said as a basic card and you pick your devices.

what should be the cost of 6 DSPcard without 4.0 software.

then start adding the 4.0 software and the extra devices of your choice and let us know what you would end up paying.

Example:
SRB (no software and no I/O) =798 euro
I/O plate= around 200 to 250 Euro
basic 4.0 software = 100 to 200 euro
other devices begins at 98 euro each

or I can buy ALL that and more for 998 Euro list. I am sure it is cheaper than that in europe at dealers.

and of course if I know where to shop I will get the whole thing for around the 850-900 USD in the USA (700-750 Euro)

a video capture card is belittled when called a video card.

some of these cards start at 1000 dollars and more and don't think they want to be in the same category as the 40 dollar AGP card we use in out PC.

I think there is a dfference here.
cheap vs. pro

Cezanne documented early video cards undergoing QA:

On 2004-05-13 14:00, antar wrote:

assume you want to treat this platform as you said as a basic card and you pick your devices.

That's what I mean, then you'll be able to compose your own Creamware Audio System, and there'd probably be a lot less plugin transferring and other problems of this kind.

Also, in addition to this, you can't even buy seperate I/O cards. (Personally I'd like to buy a 24 ADAT or Plus version).

So, indeed, if Creamware would sell every part of their products seperately instead of complete packages, there might be a lot less problems and more satisfied costumers.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ashkenazy on 2004-05-13 15:09 ]</font>

once again - the loudness of a voice is in no way related to it's importance or it's content of truth
probably the majority of (professional)customers isn't even interested in the 'discussion' of the previous days...

I get your point though, but to make the system affordable there's a sacrifice in customization.
It's not a one size fits it all situation, but a good compromise imho.

cheers, Tom

ps @ Ashkenazy: I don't consider you one of the shouters and have no problem with the fact that we have different opinions about some items.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2004-05-13 16:55 ]</font>

I see your point.

something like Scope light only I/O card and drivers. and then you can add your devices from the shop. this may be another line of products and may tend to confuse new comers.

this is for marketing Department to think if this is a viable solution for their company.

quote: astro says: probably the majority of (professional)customers isn't even interested in the 'discussion' of the previous days...

haha, yes indeed, I know people working with CWA cards working as pro's, they would ROFL if they would read this discussion about €35,- in an optional situation
Completely irrelevant, during the time it costs to read it all they write a song and earn mony as much as to buy a new card.
I tell you this just to open the window you look through, not to push down you/us/me as amators.
Believe me, if you think Frank doesn't sleep because of the rumble here on planetz you're wrong.
He's just so nice to tell us the background of the decision because he prob has a warm heart to John and planetz.
He knows there are thausends and thausends of people working with CW cards not having any time to even read what we are writing here dayly [edit: oh eh not meant to speak for his mind,don't take this litteraly ]
Not to speak about where the real interest is of Creamware: the German (and international) broadcast industry.
Not funny eh, to realize it's quite unimportant what we are doing here...
it's just important in our heads, and that's ok of course, but now and then try to see it through another window, it's refreshing your mind
cheerz

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Let There Be Music!


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-05-13 16:31 ]</font>

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-05-13 16:51 ]</font>

Hi
The saving grace of my CWA system for me is that the Sum of Its Parts is Greater than the Whole.... When I add together the I/O, the routing, some great effects and massive synths.... how does all that come out such a small card???
Get a basic system, try it, if you like it (you will) keep it, if you love it get some more. Simple.
Regards
Kenf