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Is anyone considering buying one of these? The G2 Engine sounds like a pretty good deal. As someone who has barely scratched the surface of ModIII and Flexor, I have no business even looking at another modular system. It looks like so much fun though!

http://www.clavia.com/G2/index.htm

I am really considering it.

I can bet that there won't be the bugs that are currently being experienced with the Creamware Modular III. Clavia releases really solid stuff.

On 2003-12-31 20:29, powerpulsarian wrote:
...there won't be the bugs that are currently being experienced with the Creamware Modular III. Clavia releases really solid stuff.

this points in the wrong direction.
You cannot compare those 2 synths from their software architecture.

The Claviar Modular is a 'classic' hardware synth controlled by midi commands.
That means the controller software can exist almost independent from OS and driver stuff. All it has to do is send sysex to an external module.

The Creamware Modular is one part of an open DSP system which fully integrates (has to) into the host OS and application drivers - and it has to support several platforms.

For what it does CW's software can be considered 'real solid stuff' too

Imho the preset annoyances of the Modular seem to be related to the 'outdated' GUI lib, which CW will (have to) get rid off anyway. But on such a complex system you cannot simply change a single item without affecting the rest.

The Nord Modular is certainly a great piece of gear, no doubt about that. It's price is very competetive (imho they had NOAH in mind - or on target), compared to it's predecessor.

cheers, Tom

The Nord sounds better than CW modular.

that's complete nonsens. i've had an extensive demo of 4 hours of the g2 and have not seen a single thing the creamware modular iii and flexor couldn't do.

the interface of the g2 is fantastic, that's true. but flexor sounds as good and my personal opinion (based on the 4 hour workshop demo) is that it even sounds better that the nord G2.

of course i'm still considering buying the g2 as a complementary modular machine to take with me when i'm on the road.

But first check the g2 really out before doings wild statements.

I said the Creamware Modular, Flexor is a third party. In my opinion you shouldn't have to pay extra to another vendor in order to get a good sound.

I am planning on getting a G2. It will be a great synth - and also an awesome controller for SFP synths (you can completely program all knobs to whatever you like - and, if setup correctly, you can avoid those annoying jumps in value when you turn a knob - with MIDI feedback you can get the G2 to display the exact settings as you switch presets in a SFP synth and respond to every move you make).

By the way,while I know Clavia is very good about making sure their products are rock solid before they release them, there are still a few things that need to get worked out in the G2 (however, these are a few minor annoyances - I would not call them bugs at all).

Imo flexor isn't necessary to achieve a 'good sound' or even great sound. It is useful for doing additional things that ModII/III don't do but that is not to say that ModII/III are useless without flexor.

Hi
Bearing in mind I have not tried the Nord.... One important thing I have learnt about comparing synths....
I have a Notation and some of the sounds from it are massive, they are monsters. (You listen to them in the shop and they blow your mind) Then I try to put them in a mix and have to strip off all the 'effects' that Notation have put on them to get them to 'sit right'in my mix. If I then listen to them again on there own, they sound just like most other synths, but do have there own sound.
I think that until you have recorded a few tracks it is difficult to know just how good something is. I would add that sometimes synth patches can inspire some ideas, so getting new synths can help the creative process. Also going back to an old synth can be really inspiring, I have a old Vintage Keys Plus and was amazed at what I found after ignoring it for a few years.
This whole 'this is better than that' arguement can be used for most things but at the end of the day it gets dark.
Nothing can replace a good idea...
Regards
Kenf

I tried for a few days the micro modular of a friend, and I noticed that the sound of the high frequencies is so metallic, strange fellings for me.
That's why I choose creamware at this period.

I think the sound has the same taste in the G2, but with new algorythms, physical oriented I think (that is a difference).

Was my opinion.

Happy new year

Finally it's there!
Need desperately find one to give a try. I hope the keyboard is quality one, because I'd love a decent synth with that SIZE! (weak-musician-friendly-one)

Hmm, maybe a NOAH-EX with those keys would rule

anyone getting the rackmount?

I've got an eye on it.
The mp3's don't impress me much but also the CW ones so ...
Just 150 modules but many seems multifuntions so ... I love the compactness BTW ...
I agree on Kenf's post.

Now I want to know what I'am roughly able to run on a G2 engine ( looking for the rack )

I could be sold but I'am not refundable !


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I've also got my eyes on a rackmount, but after looking at the modules and reading some posts, it doesn't seem there's anything that I can't already do with ModIII and Flexor. The thing I find most appealing about it is that a G2 rackmount will have quite a long life and will still be useable long after pci disappears. Oh, and there are lots and lots of patches and tutorials available for the Nord Modular system:

http://www.nordsynth.zevv.nl/


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Also the G2 will not bomb or have major bugs (I imagine).

well during the workshop the editor actually crashed. It's a new system completely developed from bottom up so there will be bugs in it. Depend on that. Also it's not possible to use the 'old' nord modular patches in the nord G2.

And my impression was also that the nord G2 is a fantastic machine, but as i have modular ii, iii and flexor allready, i am not that sure if it's really an addon to my studio setup. So i'm still in doubt.

What about the sound quality, does it change compared to the older generation ?

the sound produced by the G2 is good. You can use the internal fx now. My personal opinion is that the reverb is not that good. it sounded very metallic to me.

but my overall impression is very good.
check this guitar demo played live on the G2 http://www.clavia.se/G2/G2Guitar.mp3

that demo was produced with the new string osc which is capable of producing very good sounds. I think it shows the new sound very well.

you can find more info and demo's on http://www.clavia.se/G2/index.htm#mp3


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wow!