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i spoke to Judd Levison product manager for bbe.he expressed interest in a bbe plug for sfp if a developer and the users are interested.if a developer IS interested in devolping a bbe plug email me and i'll give you Judd's email.any other opinions,please make them known.

hi

i'm interested

ale

Yes, the more pro SFP plugs the better.

Isn't PSY Q virtually the same thing? Are you looking at this from the standpoint of name recognition? Or does BBE have something not already found in CW devices? I'd be amazed if there was enough public interest to entice BBE.

But we can dream....

I'm about to drop a couple of hundred bucks on the Antares Auto-Tune DirectX plug in for Sonar. Wouldn't mind seeing something like that for SFP.

Would like to see a really nice spectrum analyzer.

Would like to see some really nice delay/echo offerings. Maybe model some vintage stuff. The few that are already out there are nice but don't thrill me.

Antares also makes that mic modeller. That might be nice.

Line 6 - now there's a company worth going after. Celmo's devices are nice but a Line 6 Pod for SFP would be the bomb, man. Or that Johnson J-Station. The Line 6 Echo farm - there's one for ya.

Good luck! I agree we need more developers. Anything would be an improvement. Any interest at all by a big name might draw more developers.

Actually, I tried to build a BBE Sonix Maximizer using the Modular. It might be possible, but I only came as far as splitting the signal into three bands and delaying the bass and mids by the amounts specified by BBE.

I am not particuallry impressed by Line6 and the rest, though Simul Analog GuitarSuite was quite impressive, which is a free device. It could be interesting if they were to do some SFP devices, maybe modell ENGL amplifiers etc. Something with real balls >:)..

I'm sure a BBE processor would be well recieved by the Creamware community. Psy-Q does do a similar thing but as it stands I already have the stock SFP compressors, the Orbitone impressor series, Vinco AND I'd still like to check out the Timeworks stuff. Somehow I doubt a BBE device would be identical to Psy-Q unless they didn't spend enough time on development.

Here here. More plugs, more recognition, more fun, more people, more money, more support.

Can't go wrong with BBE onboard.

Sam

On 2003-11-08 08:52, krizrox wrote:
Isn't PSY Q virtually the same thing?

Nope. Same goal, different process, different sound as the end result. PsyQ is great, no f*cking around, but another way of getting from point A to point B is always a fine thing to have.

You'll note that there are 100s of kinds of
screwdrivers and screws, but the goal is always, in some fashion, to get one surface to stick to another in a stable, functional, and pleasing way.

Plus, I think getting someone like BBE onboard would do a lot to get folks like Antares on board. Creamware may want to make their own mic modeler as they made their own 'sonic maximizer'-like PsyQ. But having other companies to come in and add to the pool so they can focus on more synths and FX that best support the marketability of NOAH AND SFP, would be a great thing.

And as cool as Antares stuff is, I don't think Antares-like stuff would be a good expenditure of energy for Creamware to take on, and I don't think that Antares will make the jump unless they see the userbase is A: large, B: rabid to spend some money.

As good as the platform is getting, having competition between developers can only bring more choices and allow some of our gems like John Bowen, Steven Hummel, Celmo, D-Mute, and the Adern people to get the recognition and money they deserve (and who knows, maybe even Neutron will come back).

My $.02
Sam

I heard the dx plug in a friend´s studio once.
I think the BBE Sonic Maximizer is a very good sounding enhancer.
I´d love to see it on the SFP platform.

otter





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On 2003-11-08 08:52, krizrox wrote:
Line 6 - now there's a company worth going after. Celmo's devices are nice but a Line 6 Pod for SFP would be the bomb, man. Or that Johnson J-Station. The Line 6 Echo farm - there's one for ya.

I would rather see AmpliTube (http://www.amplitube.com/) made for the Creamware system. It's already in plugin format and sounds awesome - it just needs to be converted to run on Creamware DSP power.

On 2003-11-08 08:52, krizrox wrote:
Line 6 - now there's a company worth going after. Celmo's devices are nice but a Line 6 Pod for SFP would be the bomb, man. Or that Johnson J-Station. The Line 6 Echo farm - there's one for ya.

I would rather see AmpliTube (http://www.amplitube.com/) made for the Creamware system. It's already in plugin format and sounds awesome - it just needs to be converted to run on Creamware DSP power.

Isn't this more or less that (BBE substitute)

On 2003-11-08 18:37, dehuszar wrote:

You'll note that there are 100s of kinds of
screwdrivers and screws, but the goal is always, in some fashion, to get one surface to stick to another in a stable, functional, and pleasing way.

Yeah - you're absolutely right. All of you who made similar comments are right. We need more 3rd-party choices. More visibility. Having BBE or any other hi-profile audio company on board would benefit us and CW (one would think).

So I think the answer to the initial question is: go for it. What do we have to lose? I'd probably buy into it (although I do have a rackmount BBE processor here in my studio that rarely gets used anymore).

I seem to remember discussing the BBE process here or somewhere a long time ago. Here are my observations about it. Would love to hear other comments.

I originally bought my BBE rack mount unit for a stereo guitar rig I was using many years ago. This was when they first came out. Everyone was raving about this thing and the cost was so reasonable I went ahead and bought one. I didn't like what it did to the sound of my rig. Made it sound too crispy or something. Didn't care for it at all.

So we decided to try it on our PA system. We had a really nice JBL 3-way system at the time. We didn't care for it there either. Didn't seem to have much of an effect at all. At that point I didn't quite understand what all the fuss was about. I threw the thing on a shelf for a few years.

Later on, I found myself in a small band with a small crappy PA system. Just for grins, I pulled the BBE out and tried it on the PA system. Whoa! What a difference! I couldn't believe what a difference it made in the sound. Our crappy sounding PA sounded 10 times better!

Still, later, I tried using it as a recording device. Again, I wasn't impressed. There were instances where it made a slight difference to the sound but it wasn't as dramatic an effect as running it in the crappy PA system.

These things clearly excel in a live PA environment where you have a full-range signal and crappy PA cabinets. For anything else, the effect is kinda subtle. I think systems that are inherently time-aligned don't need a BBE process and can actually make things worse. As far as recording, I don't know. Like anything else, it's a highly subjective decision.

Anyway - hope they come on board!

On 2003-11-09 17:28, huffcw wrote:
I would rather see AmpliTube (http://www.amplitube.com/) made for the Creamware system. It's already in plugin format and sounds awesome - it just needs to be converted to run on Creamware DSP power.

I'm still waiting for the Amper people to release a non-ear-damaging ping based demo of their plug. To my ears it sounded way nicer than amplitube, which I've used extensively. Amplitube does have AMAZING guitar FX built in and I didn't have much time to play with Amper before my ears began to fatigue.

Does anyone know if they fixed that?

Sam

On 2003-11-10 13:48, dehuszar wrote:
I'm still waiting for the Amper people to release a non-ear-damaging ping based demo of their plug. To my ears it sounded way nicer than amplitube, which I've used extensively.

Does anyone know if they fixed that?

Sam

Yeah, what became of the UnitX guys? They looked like an exciting new developer with lots of promise, then dropped out of sight.

/dave

Yeah UnitX - I bought into that thing too.

Their website is still there. Clearly nothing new to offer. No updates to the existing product.

Maybe they didn't sell enough and bailed out.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/BBESon ... efault.asp

Check this out!

Hello,

I am the creator of Amper.

for now developpement on Amper has stop as I don't have access to a Scope DP anymore.
I have requested a scope DP licence , but haven"t receive any positive answer from Creamware.
I hope they send me more positive news in a near futur, so I can make a new version of Amper as well as a few other devices.

For now It seems that Creamware doesn't sell the DP anymore.
So I have ask them if it is possible to obtain a DP licence for my Scope SP, and now I am waiting for an answer from Creamware.
By the way ,If you heard about a second hand Scope DP i'll be really interested.

I hope to have more positive news soon.

PS : Thanks you for your great comment about Amper

I would rather have the directx version. I would get too excited about a version for the SFP. It's most likely vaporware.

On 2003-11-12 07:50, jeezs wrote:

By the way ,If you heard about a second hand Scope DP i'll be really interested.

There was a secondhand Scope DP posted here on PLanetz, just a few days ago:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... &forum=8&0

Thomas