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Hey Retro, if I ever invite you over, I'll make sure I have the appropriate food for you.

Of course, we'd probably never even consider eating anyway because we'd be staring at the computer the whole time.

Which part of Melbourne are you in anyway?

Caleb:
Thanks for taking my dietary preferences into consideration, but I agree we'd probably be too busy dining on Creamware morsels anyway

I had a long conversation with madmod the other day and he mentioned you bought a Scope from him. I'm looking at getting an SRB in the future so it would be good to catch up and compare notes some time. I live in Flemington, near the racecourse.

Hmm... Wonder if there are enough of us Melbourne Pulsarians to hold a little convention one day?!

Castol:
I appreciate your advice, and I could really relate to what you were saying about not taking slip-ups too seriously. You've got me thinking... Perhaps a good way to get back onto the veg bandwagon is to not label myself "vegetarian" or "vegan", but just take it one meal at a time. Isn't it amazing what you can learn in a CW forum?!

Cheers,
Retro

Yeah, I always end up having long conversations with madmod. Loves his Creamware doesn't he?

I'm over the other side of the city in Prahran.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn in a CW forum?!

haha! yes. but then again we are all just "norml" people, who have opinons and differeing life experiences. sometimes there presents the opportunity to share a bit, and this i think only adds to the "culture" of the community.

what i learned initially when first turning vegan was that you absolutely need to find a selection of good tasty, relatively simple recipies you can fall back on when your not feeling so adventuruous.

for me this is stuff like guacamole (oh i've gotten real good at making guacamole), with pan toasted flour tortillas, some soy sour cream, newmans own salsa, and recently (which i began to do my own of) sprouts.

another was, black beans and long grain basmati rice. mmm, good basmati rice is REALLY flavorfull...

another was...hmmm, ahhh...a soba noodle stir fry. really simple, very, very tasty. with things like fresh ginger (i cook a lot with fresh ginger, garlic as well), spring onions, cashews, red pepers (not the hot type), water chestnuts, and sprouts. a litte bit of that sesame oil i mentioned earlier is really good to toss the stir fried veggies and noodles with.

also a veggie stroganov (mmm, very tasty again), and spagehtti and vegan meatballs .

i know i mentioned being anti-recreating meaty foods, but these are home made concocations, not store bought. and well, hey...they taste really good!

for lunches i quickly picked up on hummus, and tabouli. slabs of marinated tofu with fresh veggies in pita pockets.

also for snacks, i tend to munch on a lot of nuts (very important in a veggie diet), raisins, carrot sticks, celerey (ants on a log brings back memories of being a child again, being and auslander you might not know what that is. it is just spreading peanut butter on a piece of celerey and sticking rasins on top. very interesting variety of textures and flavors).

blah, blah, blah. yes i'm sort of a food geek .

i like immanuel's sig...

I was a food geek...

awww, what happened immanuel? saying it in the past tense like that?

anyhow.

have a great day.





<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: castol on 2002-05-13 03:21 ]</font>

ohh, retro...btw.

the who "label" issue. yes, i think everyone has problems dealing with that initially.

for myself, i had problems saying 'vegan" *pronounced <i>vee-gun</i>*. cause to me it implied almost a radical extremeist . which i later learned was just the overall stereotype portrayed in the world i live in. funny how i just come smack dab up next to these every now and again and just find myself dumbfounded that i never noticed their existence and bias they incurred on myself before.

also, it was strange to say "vegan" to people. i was a bit self-concious cause i wasn't a "super-vegan" and people just didn't know what it was and would get uneasy. so i just went with the more comfortable term (for myself and others), of a vegetarian.

anyhow, yes i think you got the right idea. holding up to a pre-concieved (and a lot of times skewed) "label" sometimes leads to undue pressure and stress which people don't need when making transistions.

one meal at a time sounds like a good thing .

just try different stuffs, and gradually incorporate more and more veggie meals and foods, gradually taking more and more meaty stuff out. figure out your own pace, any literature you read which gives x amount of days or weeks to do something is not to be trusted imo. but....! having said this, i benefited immensely from setting a real world goal to become totally vegan. i think it was a 3 month sort of contract with myself. which gave me some focus (which i needed).

it gets a little hard when you get out of your home though, eating and keeping veggie/vegan.

thats a WHOLE 'nother issue in and of itself however.

i don't have the time to go into that today .

simply put, i can't be arsed to be SOOO concious of EVERY little single thing that may or may not have dairy, eggs, or whatever other meaty product in it. so i just do the best i can and if that means something with an egg or dairy product in it here ore there. well, then i just swallow what little pride i carry around and enjoy my meal.

though, it is nice finding restaurant that WILL cater to your food preferences, and the employees are knowledgeable. mediteranian, and indian restaurants are particularly good...and veggie/vegan friendly.

i don't eat fast food, but that can be done as well i hear.

outro.

On 2002-05-12 08:21, castol wrote:

also...the environment your in and around has a very large impact on ones cravings and overall feeling.

when i was 18, all of us had to do a project (in school) in small groups, and one of these projects was about animal abuse (of course i did music). after that i became a 'vegetarian' for a few weeks. well, 't was just like normal meals, but without meat or fish. anyway, after 3 weeks i gave up, but after this, i've never eaten cold or smoked meat again. you know, the stuff you put on your sandwich (ham and the likes). when i was 22, i went on a holiday to a small island under Crete (Greece). the only meat they had there was (semi wild) goat. on the island there was only electricity from generators, so hardly any freezer capacity. the goats were tied onto a plank (unskinned), belly cut open, and if you wanted a piece, the cook just cut off what you wanted... you can imagine: 30° Celsius (about 90°F i think) flies all over the meat, old local chaps eating the disgusting looking intestines. i've never eaten meat after that. (almost 8 years now)

officialy, i could be called 'pesco vegetarian' (no meat, but fish and dairy is on the menu). in some circles i frequent, there are some people, who ask people that eat meat 'how they could possibly do that'. i don't like this extremism. so, i'm nothing vegwhatever. i just don't eat meat. to each his own.

phew, and i only wanted to say that my environment is quite considerate. mom always has something in the freezer for me (yes, the meat-look-a-likes) and my fab grandma, always makes these wonderful seafood dishes, while she (daughter of a cattle farmer) and grandpa are having bacon. and she makes this soup 'which is very good' she says, but it's nearly always with meat balls. she takes them all out manually, so what can you do? you drink the soup this wonderful old woman has made.

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: borg on 2002-05-13 08:31 ]</font>

I sometimes say I'm a vegetarian if the place I'm at looks a bit dodgey and I don't trust the food.

I tried this once at a friend's engagement party in the suburbs. The waiter looked at me with a mixture of confusion and surprise, then returned a long time later with a plate of steamed carrots and beans swiming in salad dressing

Now there's the very reason I'm not a hardcore veggie... cos it's just not doable/available all the time.

Moby's a vegan: http://www.moby.com , go to Essays -> vegan

Has anyone read his 'Why everything is wrong'? Very interesting lecture, if you'd ask me

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: at0mic on 2002-05-13 22:04 ]</font>

heh.

yes, i'm salivating right now at the thought of steamed vegetables "swimming" in dressing.

it was good dressing?
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: castol on 2002-05-13 16:56 ]</font>

man, what a funky thread!! I was ignoring it cuz I didn't have a clue what it was about. (from the topic)

Ya know, there are vegetarians, meat eaters, whatever.. but the worst are the insect eaters.. People in Taiwan (where I'm originally from) eat a couple variations of the cricket. Fried totally crip with soysauce and chili peppers. I think they've also got a smoked version. I tried one.. it was hard, and it was like, crrrruunch, crrrruunch. yum yum. NOT!

I think they eat even more insects over in Thailand. BIG juicy roaches! AHHHHHHHH!!

In Japan, where I'm living right now, it's kind of mixed. Kids eat what ever they're fed, teenagers eat fast food junk, adults eat everything, middleaged people eat more meat, older people eat more fish, and oldest people eat fish and no meat. Usually, that is.

I guess that's a smart approach.. a changing diet for changing body needs. But basically, food is so expensive (like everything else) that I basically stick to eating cheap junk anyway. Cheap junk is easier to get here.

Cheap junk is like stuff put together by machines, using bits and pieces of what nots that "look" ok together to form what looks like a bento (meal in a box). Funny thing is, people in Japan are so used to eating stuff put together by machines, they can taste the difference when things are made by hand. Kind of interesting ain't it? It's like, the diet of the future.. stuff we read in comic books as a kid. It's sad it's become a reality in Japan.

Now they've even got "Not genetically altered" stickers on vegetables. Talk about sci-fi movie style!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2002-05-13 19:52 ]</font>

hang on,you ain't seen nuttin.

Hmmm.

waffles? Belgin waffles are my fav. and when I'm touring the south on business or pleasure I like to try my hand at the famous chain of greasy spoons known as waffle house....

but what is a waffle award and why would CW block PlanetZ from their IE at CW Central?

Hmm, I wouldn't totally pile on CW. A lot of the development ideas come from this user base right here. It's part of the product life cycle development stuff that every development team does. What I would like to know is how they get it and how statistically probable they are at scanning these pages for common ideas, threads and problems. That would take a good software/database engineer to make that a reality huh guys.

The most disgusting "food" I ever saw was on a TV documentary where this South American tribe caught a huge spider.

They then bound up its legs and carried it back to camp.

While it was still alive they squeezed out its creamy-coloured guts onto a wide green leaf, wrapped up the contents and baked it at the edge of the fire.

In a few minutes they had a lovely Spider Guts Omelette which they ate with great enthusiasm

But the empty "body" was not wasted: it was popped into the flames for a few seconds and brought out again as a crunchy treat !

Arrrrghhh ! This revolting series of images just won't leave my mind.....

Along the 'Not Bacon' lines, i was thinking a great marketing niche might be 'Not Tofu' - you could make it out of tripe!

speaking of gross out food....

hehe.

i've seen film of indonesian peoples taking live squid from a tank and precisely bitting the head off to discard the sharp beak and bad tasting ink sac, spitting this out, then literally slurping the rest down .

they had the sickest looking smile on their faces while "performing" it in front of the camera.

in the us, there was at a time this "EXTREME" series of videos of totally bizzare and pretty much brutal practices performed in our country and others.

one of the pieces i think in a fillipino (spelling wrong probobly) restaurant, a group of 4 people were served a live monkey, where they ate only and i mean only the brains....it made me shiver the means they went to get the brains. at the time there were a lot of weird monkey movies and bad/good reporting on scientific experiments where monkeys were used...which made it even more disturbing.

what transpired was that they had a special table with a spot in the middle to basically hang a monkey with his head sticking up above. a "happy" restaurant employee brought out the monkey (rhesus i think), strapped him into the table. another employee brought out this decorated box full of ornate "clubs" and presented one to each person at the table. and on the count of three the 4 people "whacked" the monkey over the head until the scull was sufficiently cracked. then it was basically just like akin to eating lobster. they eat dog over there as well, i had a friend who's parents did so occasionally. he was like....uh, it tastes like chicken. how many times have you heard that one?

i'm not so against eating insects, and worms and what not. they are quite good for you, and so readilly abundent, non-invasive (well....at least i think they would) to the environment.

i happen to be a spider lover...so eating and squishing them i am not happy about. actually i don't get why people "freak out" when a bug crawls on them (there is a shock element initially, but no need to get in a bunch about it). i've seen a few people on the bus do this, in particular one fine unusually warm autumn day last year stirred up a large group of ladybugs. and i mean...come on, a ladybug will nip you occasionally, but they are so cute and unoffensive looking. got on the bus from home, this lady her friend and daughter get on the bus. they sit down, i'm enjoying seeing all these ladybugs flitter about and land everywhere. this woman gets one on her, and goes on this mad stomping, cursing rampage to "KILL" it. i was so disappointed. after that she went around the bus "KILLING" all the others. while i was letting them go out the window. she didn't get it. i didn't open my mouth. the child with her i think did though.

processed food i think everyone can benefit from avoiding more often than not. its so enjoyable to cook with mostly fresh and minimally processed foods once you get into it a bit!

but yes, i can understand the convienience factor.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: castol on 2002-05-14 03:18 ]</font>

kensuguro:

about the genetically modified foods. yes, thats a strange subject.

i tend to find a lot of organic foods have the label "Non-GMO". for awhile i didn't know what it meant, but then i learned.

i am not going to go into a discourse on what i know. but short and sweet, gmo's are a very risky venture. as i see it, it is akin to the overvaccination and over prescribing and non-correctly taking of medicines and antibiotics to get rid of diasease, infection, and "bugs". the effect this has on the bugs is they eventually mutate, and mutate, and mutate, into these "super-bugs" which are near imposible to combat.

its also sort of similar to the effect "introduced", intentionally or not species of plants, insects and animals and the effect this has on the surrounding environment.

I will read more tomorow and rerespond. For now, I will just say, that I was a food geek, because, I have not kept up to date that much during the past 1½ years or so. Geeks are uptodate. And stinging neetles are concentrated. They have very good amounts of vitamin a and c, and iron, calcium - and very high dosses of silica. I am not shure, wether there is a downside, but if there is not, it is realy great. I have them in my garden too, and I use them for vegeballs and ocasional soups (wich I rarely make, because It usually has no energy (carbohydrates, fat, and protein (and alcohol)).

Immanuel