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no, please! keep chuck out of this!

Hello Kylie
No. It was an Unofficial Interview...ääähm Call from me with the Big Checker from Sonic-Core. He said "soon".
I said : How long is "Soon"? 2 ..3 Months?
He: Nooo Less than 1 Month
(I had posted this info on Site 3)
Called end of August.
mmm
I think Iam Calling Chuck in 5 Days.
He dont know what Vista is.(Astalavista? / Nooo Windows Vista)
Its his fifth PC he said he tried special techniques...no Result.
He dont know what drivers is (He told me ,he had a Driver but...for his car)

I said wait my Call at the end of September.

Trombone is really lookin good.

wayne wrote:Nice feature! never seen that before.

yeah, I discovered that recently, too. no need to scroll down after hitting the preview button to see if there has been another post meanwhile.
this planet has become even more comfortable... another reason to just sit down, relax and wait for S|C to come up with some finished stuff...

-greetings, markus-

Burnin3styleFingaz wrote:No. It was an Unofficial Interview...ääähm Call from me with the Big Checker from Sonic-Core. He said "soon".

ah, that was you...
well, you maybe better rely on what he said first. that was "soon".
we all know that they'd damn sure like to get it shipped by the end of september, but if there is any showstopper they will delay it. I'm kinda sure even they don't know exactly when it's done. it probably has to feel "just right"...
imho it's no real good idea to call them this very moment. they might give you a blurry vision just to get you off the line (to get real things done). (oh, well, maybe that's what I'd do... )

-greetings, markus-

Why a guy come in this thread to tell how much frustrated are with S/C? and to tell that have moved? Well, if you are so frustrated, go away!! and be quiet!

I should ask? Why the hell do you insist on using OSX over any other reason? There is much more flexibility and performance using XP+Scope cards, than using OSX and any other no dsp soft.
When you have DSP based platform, you depend very low of the OS, regarding to make music, so if finally Scope 5 comes up and you can use OSX with that? That´s and extra, but don´t come here telling that you are frustrated because of the OSX, maybe you are frutrated because you what to use a Mac, and so pay more for the same.
There are two platforms I hate, because of their politic of "pay more" because we are pro. That are Mac, and protools. Both don´t offfer nothing really over the others, even you may pay a big $$ for an stereo bad soundcard, like Digi001. I have compared their "focusrite preamps", with my Mp20, and the 001 ones sounded like Behringer. Regaring Macs, we had at school Macs with protools and Digi 001 for post production, and the system freezed 2 o 3 times alog 3 hours.
You may learn how to set up a system, whatever hardware, OS, sofware you have, and then will work. If you don´t know how to manage and to configure your system, will have problems whatever hardware,OS you use.

Ok. I see that people still miss the point. I am not comparing operating systems. Actually, the only reason that I own a PC was to use my SCOPE cards. I have been happy with their performance since 2003 with my XP machine. I am frustrated with the lack of follow through from the company that says one thing and does another. We deserve an update.

I use a MAC and play on a Gibson guitar by choice. I would like to use SCOPE with my preferred computer....I decided to sell after seeing the same pattern of empty promises and support from SCOPE manufacturers that happened years ago. I believe I started by saying that I tried to contact SonicCore 3 times with NO - that means NO response. They lost a customer, MAC or PC user which I am both, due to lack of support. Now, I use NI and the real deal Analog and my MAC.

My frustrations are about lack of support and inability to meet a deadline. Better support , in terms of communication, is expected.

If I offended any of you. I'm sorry - I'll just watch from the sidelines and not be a part of your community.

I don't understand MAC haters - Every time someone mentions a MAC the shit hits the fan. Every time. Get over it. Both my MAC and PC work fine - always have. What was the point again? Oh - Yeah.

5 days till October no news from the front line since late July. Bad business. Maybe Sonic Core uses a PC. Probably a MAC. Still no news.

just bad business.

bye.

I'm upset at the delay as well, but then I've been waiting since 2002 for new hardware and software (2002 was the last major upgrade of Scope), so I'm managing to wait patiently for Xite. Still, If it doesn't come out within the next month or two, I'm going to be REALLY MAD.

[quote="stebzilla"]Ok. I see that people still miss the point. I am not comparing operating systems. Actually, the only reason that I own a PC was to use my SCOPE cards. I have been happy with their performance since 2003 with my XP machine. I am frustrated with the lack of follow through from the company that says one thing and does another. We deserve an update.

Just a suggestion as this happened to me aswell....try another e-mail.Maybe your e-mail adress got filtered,lost,whatever i was sending countless e-mail until i figured none ever arrived at sc.

I'm sure they will come out with something before for end of year....We've been waiting for years!...Plenty of people have got pissed off, sold their cards and moved on. So it's the die-hards left now - (S/C prob know this!). However, if it goes into 2009 and nothing is happening - even hardened Scope users will be jumping ship. I built my DAW around the Scope Pro card a few months ago - if nothing from S/C, I'll be getting rid of the Scope Card at my next DAW rebuild (prob 2011/12) - so I could wait another year. I think if the UAD 2 card starts getting synths & a modular - well that would be interesting.....

stebzilla wrote:Ok. I see that people still miss the point. I am not comparing operating systems. Actually, the only reason that I own a PC was to use my SCOPE cards. I have been happy with their performance since 2003 with my XP machine. I am frustrated with the lack of follow through from the company that says one thing and does another. We deserve an update.

I use a MAC and play on a Gibson guitar by choice. I would like to use SCOPE with my preferred computer....I decided to sell after seeing the same pattern of empty promises and support from SCOPE manufacturers that happened years ago. I believe I started by saying that I tried to contact SonicCore 3 times with NO - that means NO response. They lost a customer, MAC or PC user which I am both, due to lack of support. Now, I use NI and the real deal Analog and my MAC.

My frustrations are about lack of support and inability to meet a deadline. Better support , in terms of communication, is expected.

If I offended any of you. I'm sorry - I'll just watch from the sidelines and not be a part of your community.

I don't understand MAC haters - Every time someone mentions a MAC the shit hits the fan. Every time. Get over it. Both my MAC and PC work fine - always have. What was the point again? Oh - Yeah.

5 days till October no news from the front line since late July. Bad business. Maybe Sonic Core uses a PC. Probably a MAC. Still no news.

just bad business.

bye.

As Fluxpod pointed, sometimes email filtering occurs. That´s one posibility.
Another posibility, is that your email was sent to trash. Why? You may think that S/C support is the worst, but I assure you that sending a email to a company support is too much common you get no reply. There is obvius reasons. First, we are egocentric, second we don´t like to recognize it. From the user point of view, as a customer, we should be answered to our email as a good support. Reality, must be that the company emails recipient must be full of trash email asking for the same stupid questions that:
a) are already answered on the support forums
b) cannot be answered (like when will release OSX).
There are very low reasons why you must email S/C for support. If you have a doubt, go to the forums, that´s for what they are. If the forums wouldn´t exist, they would need several "call center" guys. Sadly, even if you had a really problem (your card is broken i.e), you´ll have trouble from S/C to detect your email between the lot of "when you´ll release Xite?" ones.
If you have a problem that cannot be resolved on the forums, look for the phone number, and call them, (I´m spanish and did it speaking my humble english, while Ralf was very patiente with me, and resolve my problem, registering card).
If you just want to know when Scope 5 and OSX will be released, just nobody can reply that.
When will be ready, then they will relase, since then, you can make a whole Album with what you already have, a pc and Scope card even with 4.0 version.
The best support a company can bring to you, is a piece of sofware or hardware that works.
Scope cards work ok, and offer a wide range of posibilities (already), and low latency that no Native based sofware can offer. Even having in account the 5 last years without update, even having in account the CW crash, you still have no alternative of can play a guitar, put a amps simulator, add a compressor, add a good reverb, play and record all that with no latency issues. That´s a good support. Better support that link 5 PCs with cubase, or freeze tracks to can play your native guitar amp, still with 20 ms of latency.
you can take a sampler, load some Akai sounds, or even convert it from other formats, and you have a no drop sampler.
And you can play as many synths as your dsp card allow you, with better sounding, lots of them free, route as you like and add the effects as you like al in realtime.
And even in the case you miss something, you still can use native soft to complement what Scope offers.
Well, update from the last 5 years..., sofware update, hardware update. If you canot make music with the actual cards, then the problem is on you. Most Scope users, when Xite-1 was annouced, told., "yes, but I´ll not sell mine till xite-1 be avaible", and "I had more than enough with my three 14 dsp cards, so 140 dsp, woww!!"
And regarding sofware update, the only thing I found needs an urgent update is the sampler, because has memory limit, and cannot load directly most common actual big libraries. The rest, Scope has all is needed to make music without the bads of having to trouble about latencies, crashes, cpu limit with Vsti, bla bla bla.
Well, there are many examples of solvent companies that will entertain you with updates each moth, like msn messeger, windows vista, protools, etc etc.
Something that to me sounds like, Sh*t version 5.2, Sh*t version 5.2.1,Sh*t version 5.2.2 etc etc, what most times don´t offer much more that a pastime, reading the "new features" readmefile, what usually let´s you at the same point before.
Summing up, leaving apart what they can do in the future, just look at what already have done, and what other companies offer you the same product, with better support, if you find it, just go and buy it. Of course, you don´t find it, and maybe that´s why you still stay around the forum,maybe dreaming with the Xite-1 coming up.

Well said!

Excellent points.

nprime wrote:Well said!

Excellent points.

Agreed! Many good points made.

lagoausente wrote: When you have DSP based platform, you depend very low of the OS, regarding to make music...........

Well most people still need a sequencer and those can be OS specific (Logic, Sonar, DP etc.) - I have plugins and a controller (Euphonix) that doesn't support Windows.

lagoausente wrote: There are two platforms I hate, because of their politic of "pay more" because we are pro. That are Mac, and protools..................

This is getting tiresome - after the Intel transition that argument is getting old. Logic Studio is quite cheap now.

i agree with warp69 : Logic on Mac is very cheap and I assume it can be a very good sequancer for many. My macbook pro is very stable and my PC+scope too. OSX is just very simple (drivers, OS access, etc..) and easily reliable whereas windows needs a little more care. Macs are now cheaper than before (as underlined by Warp) and that's why I am happy Xite will also work under OSX. A macbook pro + xite will become a killer !!!!!! Just buy Logic pro, Xite + macbook pro (Xite will be able to use the express card which is far better than all those presosnus and RME things that use the firewire !) and then add external HD on the FW400 + FW800 and ...... that's what i plan to do !!!!!

As for this long wait, it makes me mad too because i really need more DSPs and I do not want to buy a scope pro as Xite is about to be released .... Actually, the lack of real competitor (so much power, rooting system, FX AND synth, converters, etc ...) is the main reason I stick to Xite . And I do not want to spend money on UAD or powercore that will "only" give me few (good) plugins + power either ...

Sooooooooo .... the problem is that someone who cannot wait anymore (like me )would not be able to find another mobile solution (handy and not too expensive) ... Just because Xite gathers 2 or 3 different audio gear in one sole unit.

For me soniccore's support is now almost perfect if you compare it with that of big companies ... The plugin offer is NOW very comprehensive from FX to synth (3rd party + soniccore itself) and this offer is HUGE if you compare it with that of UAD or powercore for instance. Really .... I loved my UAD1 (i sold it) but it took many years to shift from their underpowerd UAD1 to the brand new UAD-2. And noone has complained about these delays...

I just really believe Soniccore has kept the creamware spirit : power, flexibility and a new approach. I stick to this philosophy .... but I hope the release is really drawing near !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase ....



Jo

Everynight as I tear down my 24U's I daydream of it's release.
An entire band recording itself to mixdown and review it's performance in 5.1 96KHz, and actually turning my 24U into 8U while adding 10 times the current power is a no brainer.

Well most people still need a sequencer and those can be OS specific (Logic, Sonar, DP etc.) - I have plugins and a controller (Euphonix) that doesn't support Windows.

A sequencer OS specific? Plugins and controller OS specific? What a bad support!! don´t you think? Just like Scope now.
Why don´t you move from that? Or why don´t you email them aksing for for another OS compatibility, maybe you´ll have a reply, they should all "release nooowww" a windows version,
So, ok, what must do, is to sell the cards, the OS specific, the plugins and Euphonix, and so, all will be treated the same.
Or, you still can link a pc and a Mac.

Logic on Mac is very cheap and I assume it can be a very good sequancer for many

I am glad that,finally, they had taken down their pants.

This is getting tiresome - after the Intel transition that argument is getting old. Logic Studio is quite cheap now.

Sorry, I´m out of date, some years ago that was overpriced. Realized that I have no updated since last 5 years.

I think we should be very grateful that the old company (Creamware) was taken over by original Scope developers who continue to develop both new hardware & software. It's incredibly unhealthy for Scope users to be impatient with them regarding the release of new software & hardware. I'm quite sure that they're doing their very best & that when the products are ready & available we'll all know about it. In the meantime my Scope card system & amazing software development platform (sdk) are working perfectly well.

Mark