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BingoTheClowno wrote:You seem to rather enjoy that quote. Do you agree with it?

agree with it?

i'm not sure what you mean, i'm just pointing it out. Albert Pike liked it and he was one of the most powerful and influential men in the 19th and 20th centuries. i don't think you realize how pervasive this mans works are in the highest levels of private, corporate and government life of the most powerful people. almost all the high ranking western personalities are freemasons and are familiar with his work. as i pointed out, the duke of kent is the head of the U.K. chapter.....as far as whether i like it, i don't think it matters much, but personally i think he's scum.

isn't it good to know who backs your cause?

garyb wrote:
isn't it good to know who backs your cause?

It is. Do you consider him a supporter of your cause? I'm not sure where you are going with this but it is clear you are again mischievously evading direct answers.

man, i bet you were a killer on the playground with your "i know you are but what am i?" combacks.

he is a supporter of atheists, behind the scenes. read the quote. it has nothing to do with my opinion.

afterward, read all of what i said about it. there you'll find me calling him scum. directly.

garyb wrote:man, i bet you were a killer on the playground with your "i know you are but what am i?" combacks.

he is a supporter of atheists, behind the scenes. read the quote. it has nothing to do with my opinion.

afterward, read all of what i said about it. there you'll find me calling him scum. directly.

So why can't you explain this from the start. Or do you expect us to read your mind?

And I don't see any evidence that supports your claim. What I understood from his words is that he attributes the origins of savagery to atheism. Maybe you can elucidate where he hinted at being a supporter of atheism.

"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism.."

yes, he added that absolute atheism is the ultimate source of savagery(his opinion). because of the fact that atheists like mao killed upwards of 40 million, polpot a couple million and stalin had his millions(all connected to masonic orders), i think he was serious. i also don't think you realize just how influential a man Albert Pike was. just because you haven't heard of him(or maybe you're a mason and you have), doesn't mean that he's a nobody to ignore. no, this is the man interred in the most splendid bulding in the USA.
http://www.scottishrite.org/visitors/vtour.html Albert Pike is the teacher of H.R.H the Duke of Kent. http://www.grandlodge-england.org/ugle/whos-who.htm

personally, i don't think that being an atheist makes you a born killer any more than i think being a catholic makes you a killer. of course all the main religions suggest that it's bad to be mean(yes, there are also conflicting teachings, but most people like the nice parts). i think that being a twisted evil b@sT8ad makes you a born killer, in that posssesion couldn't hurt either.

i think these damned Luciferian, Satan worshipping folks like Albert Pike are the cause of the real trouble. they're all about exercising pure will, and the corruption of others via human weakness, like fear and greed, but that's just my opinion. oh, and it's my opinion that christopher hitchins is just another of their lackeys and is not a good example for anyone. he is a good writer, but that's not no reason to go around believing anything he says. he blames religion for war, but sadaam wasn't in any way religious, and hitchins supported not only sanctions that killed so many hundreds of thousands of children, but also the war that's killed the rest of them, not to mention so many americans. that is the perfect example of the word hypocrite. he's entitled to make mistakes, but i hope he recognizes such a big one. i hope the same for myself. likewise for you and everyone else. it's our only hope, because if you recognize a mistake, you can correct it before it becomes a bigger problem...

Still I don't see any support of your claim that he's a hidden admirer of atheism. I think it's you again attempting to vilify atheism.

I don't think Atheism needs to be vilified any more than religion needs to be vilified.
It wont stop anyone from giving it a shot though.
I mean, after all.. this thread was started for the express intent of vilifying religion..
Or at least promoting the work of a man who made a good chunk of change vilifying religion.

I think it has been clearly shown that the issue is not religion or the lack of it, but simple human nature that is the problem.
Humans will kill each other over religion or the lack of it. They will kill each other pretty much any time they see a difference in others they don't particularly like.
Humans love to kill one another. I mean, just look at all the clever ways they have come up with over the years to dispatch other people.

bingo.
dude.
he says that the organization is going to promote athiesm as an opponent to christianity to destroy civilization as we know it and usher in a pure Luciferian ageon atheists have subsequently risen to power in many places in the world and committed mass murder. Lucifer is the "light bringer" the root of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil". his people bear the sign of the dragon like count dracula or aurthur pendragon or merovingian. it is a plan. it calls for these athiest leaders to be mass killers in ordere to mess up people's heads. this has nothing to do with what i think!

hitchins is as i pictured him. what he's done is verifiable fact.

Albert Pike is who he is and these small quotes(and the book) i posted are also verifiable. they're not my opinion. i just posted them here for edification and clarity. i don't need to discredit or attack anything, i like the truth. the truth is not an offense. if i were you, i'd want to know about this guy and his purposes and the group the he has helped to shepherd. this stuff is part of eugenics, as are athiests.

it's not the idea of atheism that bothers me, certainly scepticism is a good idea in life. if atheists are wrong about a god existing, that's their problem. if they're right it doesn't mattter either way anyway since life is just a chemical anomoly in that case. a guy planning hell on earth using atheism as an engine, whose writings are revered throughout the ruling class, who had a definite plan is a concern, even to atheists..

how can your mind be big enough to struggle with the existance or not of a cosmic force like "god"' and yet is to small to examine the reality of some guy named Pike?

That Albert Pike guy is a legend. In the tourist shops in Scotland you can buy Pike talking heads to hang on the wall. You know, kind of like those talking carp & trout that you get in the US & Canada.

362 reviews so far on Amazon

And another interview on CBC

and the guy is still a jerk.

The Atheist's Bible by Joan Konner, is another great book to own.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW0zG7zYpjM

garyb wrote:and the guy is still a jerk.

He must be put to death no?

Bible wrote: If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 13

C'mon people,
stop avoiding the issue here, we all secretly know that the ruling class are space lizards, who are manipulating religion, media and our perception of it to keep us all enslaved to their whim.

dunno about the space lizard part, but the rest is about right.

bingo, that is an intertribal memo for a tribe that has long ceased to exist. it has no relavence to christopher hitchens or whether or not he's a jerk. as i said before, if religion is the real reason for war and he's an atheist, then what's his excuse for warmongering when he was the main voice in the press calling for the present war in Iraq?

garyb wrote:bingo, that is an intertribal memo for a tribe that has long ceased to exist. it has no relavence to christopher hitchens or whether or not he's a jerk. as i said before, if religion is the real reason for war and he's an atheist, then what's his excuse for warmongering when he was the main voice in the press calling for the present war in Iraq?

Like I said before, the current administration was foolish enough to follow his "warmongering". In other words you can't tell me that his warmongering led to the invasion of Iraq.

As far as the intertribal memo goes, you guys still believe in that shit?

BingoTheClowno wrote:

garyb wrote: In other words you can't tell me that his warmongering led to the invasion of Iraq.

bad logic in arguementation Bingo, that should be better
even if the war was canceled by the gouvernment the point is still there...

As far as the intertribal memo goes, you guys still believe in that shit?

bingo, which guys?

mr. hitchens works for the government. there is precious little "independant journalism" these days. for information on a few of the recent scandals, just google "bush administration paid journalists", or "government paid journalists". this is a common phenomenon. sheep think that newspapers and writers are nuetral and independant. aware and awake human beings know better.

even if Hitchens did NOT work directly or indirectly for the administration, that's no excuse for the kind of sleazy yellow jounalism that blames all war and strife on religion and then calls for mass killing like the kind perpetrated in Iraq. you keep on defending the undefendable. you must condone jingoism and yellow journalism. i'm beginning to think you are in favor of prevarication since you never respond to the issue itself(like Hitchen's hypocrisy), but rather to silly side issues like whether one follows the bible to the letter or not, a subject not at all related to whether a self proclaimed athiest spent considerable effort inciting a war, or at least trying to convert and subvert public opinion in favor of that war.

hubird, can you fix that quote? it makes it look like I said that ridiculous sentance....