Creamware Insolvency announcement - Chapter 11

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 12:12 pm

No i/o board just a Pulsar I for i/o.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 12:54 pm

Pulsar1 has 2 x adat IO, so you can connect your A16U on an 'OLD' Pulsar 1 without any problems!

Isn't it cool or what?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:24 am

I know that. I wanted to remove my Luna and put it in another computer and connect it to the Pulsar I or buy another Luna and connect it to the Pulsar through the ADAT... without buying another costly i/o board. Remember that the Luna firewire can not connect to a Luna only to the expensive 100% proprietary breakout box.

[ This Message was edited by: braincell on 2003-07-08 12:26 ]

Post by **garyb** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:51 am

the box is not expensive(relatively,but that's my opinion).if you look at the luna card you will see that there is not much room on it.more space could be made but that would doubtless drive the price up.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:39 am

The i/o card also blocks a PCI slot. I bought the word clock card for $300 and although it does not plug into a PCI slot, it blocks that slot from being used by any other card. That's another poorly designed feature. I could have it dangle outside my computer but that doesn't seem safe. Poorly designed tisk tisk tisk.

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:16 am

Poorly designed?

Look at RME cards, are they better?
Do you think everyone wants more than the break-out cable dangling out the back of their computers? (Pulsar owners that is)
I sure don't, I'd prefer one pci-slot less, rather than another break-out cable, hanging out the back there.. collecting dust...

The only thing I wish CW would improve, is making an optional break-out box for Pulsar (and Pulsar plus)...
Because some of us don't like having a cable-mess behind out pc's...

w_ellis · Post by **w_ellis** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:01 am

Don't want to get too tied up in this argument, but just thought I'd quickly make a point that I often think of when such discussions start.

If your card still does what you bought it for and what it was advertised as doing, then you have got value for money. Either that or you have made a bad choice. Any statements like "CW should have put these connectors on"/ "should make this port work like this so I can do blah" are a bit futile really, as they didn't.

It's the same with software drivers. When we bought our cards, CW did not sign up to a guarantee that they would support every OS that we might care to use in the future. Nor, indeed would they guarantee their future existence, as this is impossible for any company. I bought a Midiman midi interface box and they never updated the drivers beyond Win98. I sold it when I upgraded to WinXP, as I considered that upgrade more important than keeping the midi interface.

Just my thoughts, feel free to disagree.

Will

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:18 am

Ah.. good to see a sane post.. heh
My CW-stuff gives me excellent value!
So much, that I ordered a Scope SRB recently!

Just thought I'd inform that Midiman now has perfectly working XP drivers for their midi-interfaces

ernest@303.nu · Post by **ernest@303.nu** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:05 pm

Just thought I'd inform that Midiman now has perfectly working XP drivers for their midi-interfaces

Unfortunately not for all interfaces.... the Portman-series (which I have) has no drivers beyond WinME

[ This Message was edited by: ernest@303.nu on 2003-07-09 16:06 ]

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:50 am

Fine there should be no standard. Each company should make their own type of i/o and nobody should include ADAT because it is not as good. You should have to buy an expensive card and then be forced to buy another expensive daughterboard which uses another PCI slot if you want to have ADAT to connect to your prior gear or to a second computer. You all are right.

inDSP Frank · Post by **inDSP Frank** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 5:49 pm

Braincell, the cable from Luna to the additional ADAT bracket is long enough to put it somewhere in your computer case where there is no PCI slot underneath, so you don't loose one. Maybe you need a larger computer case. Curious - where if not on a bracket would you like to have your ADAT connectors? Open to suggestions, Frank

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:36 pm

I think he would like his Luna card to be exactly like a Pulsar, only with 3 DSP's and at 1/3 the price...

Could be nice, but I like that z-link concept, 8 I/O in 24/96 with power.. it's smart!

I only wish CW would have implemented it on the Noah...

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:39 am

CW,

I didn't mean for people to get the impression I don't like Creamware. I just have a couple of gripes. T

My S/PDIF i/o does not work when the in and the out are both connected either to the Luna or the Pulsar. I have contacted CW support in Canada and in Germany and posted here and I have no sollution other than to physically unplug one cable when using the other. Funny it used to work a long time ago in Pulsar 1.0 I think.

The ADAT card costs $300? That's what my word clock card was I think. In any event CW parts are expensive. The price of the Luna went way up since it was introduced. Usually things go down in price. That is curious. I'm building another computer now I want to link up to my CW computer. I think the only cheap sollution is to buy a $200 sound card with ADAT and connect it to my Pulsar, although I surely would rather have a CW sollution so I could give the money to CW. I realize that CW cards have more features but I can't afford another CW card now and the daughterboard. Everyone in this group loves the Luna (including me) but it seems to me it didn't sell that well.

Putting the ADAT on a tangle of cables outside the computer would be a fine sollution for me.

madmod · Post by **madmod** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:03 am

To the people who think CW dont give a f..k then why did Frank just post......?

CW give you more free software than you can poke a stick at,
Emagic or Steinbug on the other hand make you pay for their software,
And if your really lucky they might continue to dev for your platform...Emagic No PC ... Stienbug dropped Protools...

Im not carring a torch for creamware just pointing out the facts....
Regards ALL

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:53 am

Personally I would rather pay for the platform upgrades and get stuff that works and have all my emails answered. It would be nice to get an email from someone saying they are working on it regarding the SP/DIF problem. I want to pay for software upgrades. It's the cheap people who ruin everything because they don't expect good support or for the software to work perfectly as long as they can get it for free.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:24 pm

Just to give a bit of perspective - though i don't agree with a lot of what braincell said in his earlier posts - for Mac users taking up a PCI slot for wordclock plates etc. IS a big issue as my G4 only has three PCI slots and two of them are already taken up with CW cards and the third is a SCSI port. In my case i would have to lose my SCSI port to use the wordclock plate. Some form of breakout solution, even to a box the size of the Midiman 2x2, would be preferable in that case.

Just thought i'd mention that as us Maccers sometimes get forgotten (you PC guys with your 6 - 7 PCI slots!)

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:38 pm

Dunno, I've gotten more emails returned from CW than Steinberg. Don't get me wrong, I love my CubaseSX, but I think every company out there is swimming at the moment.

In some ways I think it's good. While there are an unfortunate amount of small businesses who've bit the dust, the larger more arrogant companies that tend to do a lot of damage to their surrounding markets are really getting nailed and having to scramble to stay competitive in a marketplace where people simply won't spend the money on superflous stuff or the more expensive product just because it's got the 'trusted name'.

Whereas medium sized businesses like Creamware (and I'd put AMD in here too) have always stayed lean and scrappy. Perfect? No, of course not. But definately dynamic. Creamware has definately listened and provided at the best pace such a small international company really is capable of doing.

The only brick wall I've ever hit with Creamware was the discovery that 9 DSPs really wasn't going to be enough for what I wanted to do with it. So I paid the money to get the tools I need to do what I want.

I didn't yell at Creamware because my Luna II couldn't reshape itself from what I perceived I needed at the original time of purchase to what I thought I needed now. I just spent time thinking out what I wanted to be able to do in three years, what I might need to grow into the required skills and how much it would cost.

I've since saved up (for over a year, while making do with what I had) to purchase a Scope/SP, an A16Ultra, and a Magma Chassis so I could take a more powerful composition tool with me in a backpack wherever I might want to go (providing there's a power cord --though I'm looking into those solar-powered briefcases which can charge portable batteries--life is so cool).

The laptop I own doesn't work with this setup. So I'm doing a temporary swap with my friends laptop which is slower but uses an Intel PCI bus (as opposed to ALi) and suits my needs so I can get work done until I can buy a better laptop which may be some time off. Hopefully not though.

I go to such lengths to explain all this because, even if you can't work the way you want, there's always a way to work, just to keep going, while thinking about what you need to do in order to get where you want to be.

Good musicians usually aren't borne into amazing studios for free with all the instruments they need to make what they feel. There's usually a lot dynamic life adjustment to get from point A to point B without getting too far off the course.

And there's nothing the forum can do to make your wish come true in time for you to get your current projects done. Only you can do that.

Just a thought, could have my head up my ass.

Sam

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decimator · Post by **decimator** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:25 am

Bump : fresh news !

http://www.creamware.de/en/Home/news/22_08_03.asp

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 7:58 am

they seems good news!

"....Also, the company will release several further new PlugIns for their SPF and Noah product line within the next weeks"

flexor???
sorry (could not resist!!)

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:34 pm

It had better be Flexor!!

(hopefully with simultanious release of mod3 and flexor for Noah. Now THAT would really make NOAH a desirable instrument!)