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Gee Spirit,

That kind of "intelligence" isn't a good advertisement for meat eating.

And here I was thinking homosexuality and drug use were simply signs of a badly mutated gene pool from in-breeding.

good to hear algo. vegan cheese is O.K, but hardly any "vegetarian" cheese is actually vegan. which pisses me off, actually quite a lot of "vegetarian" food is not vegan. well....actually its the other people who sometimes pick me up veggie stuff who make the mistake. i've allways been an avid label reader, and can't stand to buy much that is chock full of things i don't know, or can't pronounce.

i've been through the bit about a vegan (mostly i have to say vegetarian cause people don't feel so sheepish when they don't know what it is) diet being boring and bland. cause meat and all its varios by products are just so tasty. well, i salt and sugar my food less, so i guess they are true in some sense.

but you know, being a vegan has opened me up to a new world of flavor, and uses for exotic spices.

my brother got me this really nice cookbook on indian (as in india) food. which i've enjoyed experimenting with. there is almost a philosophy to the way they approach cooking which is really quite interesting.

still working on perfecting my technique, plus its a bit difficult to find some of the ingredients they cook with.

anyhow, i agree with spirit on the topic of livestock in space. i don't think it would be very safe or healthy just yet to be soley on a vegan/veggie diet while up there. space allready does weird stuff to our bodies which we still don't entirely know how to combat, so to limit nutrutional intake is not such a good idea. would be interesesting to find out some actuall facts on this though.

and sure, if that is what you prefer, and see no reason to not want to eat meat...then by all means go ahead. i'm not going to impose my decisons on people, but they need to respect my own choices. and stupid bellittling jokes i don't appreciate, which oddly most of my immediate familly had to be made aware of.

my brother even approached me very seriously thinking i was doing the "wrong" thing and whatever. he just didn't understand though, so i explained to him what it meant to me and now hes cool about it. he's a hunter too . but regarding hunting, i understand the importance of it, and actually making not making functional use out of what you kill is really the only moral problem i have with it. hanging deer heads on the walls is a popular thing to do in the region of the united states i live in.

sport hunting i do not like in the least.

its almost as bad as some city folk who drive massive suv's and or 2 ton duallie extended cab pickup trucks.

it just doesn't need to happen, but how people enjoy spending their time is their own business. but then we get back to the thing about being concsious, and mindfull.

blah, blah, blah.

oh btw, thank you immanuel for the stuff on flax seeds.

i'll have to post some questions on a few veggie groups i frequent, not that i don't believe you.

i remember hearing about it being sensitive to light, and keeping it refridgerated...never heard anything bout overcooking morphing the fatty acids into bad stuff.

i'm done...

i totally failed on this post, so have a look at Immanuels below. Cheers mate, for clarifying things

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: at0mic on 2002-05-11 10:04 ]</font>

On 2002-05-11 03:56, castol wrote:
"... actually quite a lot of "vegetarian" food is not vegan.

You are very right a lot of jam contains gelatine - oh, and wine gum too.

I remember years ago, I stumbled over some organic jam, and it had pektine in it. I thought that sounded bad - I was definitely not going to eat anything with pektine

Immanuel

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at0mic

You are wrong unsaturated fat is mostly represented in vegetarian oils. Also fat fish has a good deal of unsaturated fat.

Thistle oil contains 74% 18:2,n-6 fatty acids.
18 = number of carbon atoms
2 = nuber of double bindings
6 = the first double binding is at the 6th carbon atom.
Wineseed oil has 67,3% of the same fatty acid
sunflower oil has 63%
corn oil has 55,2%

Flax seed contains 63,3% 18:3,n-3 fatty acids, wich is an extreme amount, and with three double bindings, this oil is very sensitive.

Fish is the best source of omega3 fatty acids, wich is a group of longer unsaturated fatty acids (20:5,n-3, 22:5,n-3 22:6,n-3).

Butter contains a large portion of the very short fully saturated fatty acids (like 4 atoms being the smalest one). Thus butter, while a (in clinical terms of health) is a bad choise for stuff, that needs no heating, but an exelent choise, if you need to heat something up - it is (for fat) very stable.

Most health specialists I know of recomend olive oil for frying, as it contains 67,7% monounsaturated fatty acids, wich is more stable than the polyunsaturated fatty acids, but still much better i.e. for you cholesterol level than saturated fat. also it only has 7,6% of polyunsaturated fat, wich is rather low for vegetarian oil.

20:4,n-6 is (mostly?) from meat and fish.

Much reseach still needs to be done in this area, but it is recomended to get a varied mixture of fatty acids. Some people find it hard to sleep, if they eat to much polyunsaturated fat before going to bed. Polyunsaturated fat can also make you "burn" more, thus helping you to loose weight - do not overdo it though.


Now look what you have done at0mic!!!
You made me look up the big book.

(maybe this thread needs renaming: "does anyone from CW eat fatty acids?").

Immanuel

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Gonna be late for work, and then I'll be gone for a while, enjoy your weekend peepz!

well.

i guess i get it, your just saying that the molecular structure is more complicated and is easier broken - which can lead to bad things transmogrifying (eh).

its the same sort of thing with overcooking sugary stuff. right?...it turns into something completely different if you don't watch it...essentially the molecular structure is being broken down and things get all funky, right?

i was pretty good and interested in science and chemistry in high school, i did suprisingly well actually. when i got to physics though i just bombed out .

i'm not secondary schooled in the least bit though....i keep the option open of going back to school and getting a degree in something. but community colleges, internships, volunteering and self-teaching are my mainstays right now.

fat free food products are a scam imo. at one weird point in my life i was against anything fat (very strange point in my life), and sort of bulimic, ate all weird, acted very strange, and excersised tons.

anyhow. i do almost all my cooking with olive oil, some canola oil and i occasionally use sesame oil.

i'm a big fan of good olives and good bread .

cheers!

Don't eat olives. I believe, one should not overlook the bodies signals. And something that tastes this bad has got to be poisonous... Well I don't like them anyway

The sugar stuff, I do not know about. Polyunsaturated fatty acids does not have a more complex structure. I fact, they "lack" atoms, and there for have to keep the "loose ends" together in another way, and that other way is not as strong an alternative.

Immanuel

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actually,hemp oil contains the best quality and quantity of essential oils in their proper forms and balance(for human use).fish oil is the other non vegan source.flax oil is a good oil but it is not as good a balance of omega 3,5,9 and they are not the long chain form which your body needs and has a hard time manufacturing which is found in fish and hemp oils.

So we can say let's smoke hemp oil!
God made hemp for proper human use, why aren't we taking this advantage? (It contains also the right quantity of THC for human wellness)

Fede

funny what spirit changed the thread name to

hemp oil, eh?

i haven't heard that brought up in a while...but yes i remember reading about how healthy it is....does it have a specific flavor? sesame oil has quite a nice flavor, goes really well with japanese noodles like udon, and soba.

curious about all this almost negative talk about flax seed and oil.

in my little circle of the way it is +, +, +, +.

i think we ought to propose to john...a "food talk" forum based on all this interesting food talk (a joke!). when taking those breaks from your pulsar workouts, chat about what foods you like to; construct, synthesize, and or arrange. teeheehee.

that should be more funny than i made it...but i just woke up a bit back.....*groggles eye lids*.


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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: castol on 2002-05-12 04:04 ]</font>

Don't be scared ogf flax seed oil. Handle it propperly, and it is good to you. I eat it as a suplementary myself.

And yes, nice title for the thread

Immanuel

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On 2002-05-12 03:16, StratoFede wrote:
So we can say let's smoke hemp oil!
God made hemp for proper human use, why aren't we taking this advantage? (It contains also the right quantity of THC for human wellness)

Fede

in fact we DID take advantage of this plant, but the american gouvernment made it illegal to grow these plants, because of evil economical reasons. as always, the rest of the western world had to bow to our 'saviors'.
'smoking' is always a bad thing when it comes to health. avoid anything 'carbonated' (sorry algo )

yah, its around...and folks get by selling it and its various byproducts. yes its illegal to grow in the us. i don't think it is in canada?

its just not as common as it could be here. and yes, there is a stupid stigma attached to it....which is absolutely false.

drink the gerol steiner personally (naturally carbonated mineral water, with some natural calcium in it)...mix it with juice.

i think you eurpeans are probobly familar with it.

yah, i don't scare to easily. i just was noting it... for example i'm going to go pick out some stinging nettles from the backyard later on today after having talked to someone the other day about making teas out of roots and weeds. i like to try different things, but i guess i sometimes charge off without knowing all the details. i don't think eating small amounts of bad stuffs (which is usually pretty obvious by the effects or taste theyt incur) is going to put in me in much danger.

i have no known food allergies that i've ever been made aware of either (thankfully).

i feel a bit sorry for people who do have them.


go take the star wars personality test, now ('tis a link in a new thread i posted)!

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: castol on 2002-05-12 05:38 ]</font>

i just found nice site for us (pulsar's users), with many problem & major sfp big solving solutions, faq, nice images....

Artichokes??!! This thread gets more bizarre by the minute but since I'm here...

I was a vegetarian for 4 years but shamefully reverted to eating chicken and seafood about a year ago. My family were unbearably critical of me during my veg phase, and my mum would deliberately serve up red meat dishes when I came around for dinner. Strange how someone's choice of diet can scare some people so badly.

I'm pretty sure I'll go back to vegetarianism again one day, for a variety of reasons that I won't bore you with here. I just can't figure out why I used to crave meat every couple of months though... Any clues Castol?

i just eat artichokes, with "little green balls", cheeze from "meeeee-beeeee" and olive oil - everything from my garden
i have 6 olive trees in garden
for 8 years i didn't eat people and animals and i'm happy about that.
actualy i never tasted any man... (woman - yes ... manny times but not on that way)?!

retro:

i'm sorry to hear that . as i sort of intoned, my family was a little bit weird about it as well, even on the defensive/offensive a bit.

but eventually they got cool with it, and i'm happy to see my parents in particular eating much better and thinking a lot more health conciously since i began being a vegan. they also listen to better music now....i like to think cause of myself and choices.

they are still a bit sceptical of trying some foods though. my mom will actually try anything, but her remarks tend to be "THATS not BAD!"....heh.

as for having cravings....yes i still have them on occasion. i've been a vegan for about 15 months. i make comprimises at times as well. like friday i ate big hunking piece of carrot cake with creamy frosting , ohhh it was sooo good! NEVER meat though. just dairy and eggs.

i think its norml to have cravings every now and then. its just a matter of holding back more often than not, and maybe making little slips here and there but not taking them badly at all.

also...the environment your in and around has a very large impact on ones cravings and overall feeling.

having a familly or friends who don't respect and support your decisions is no good. friends can be forgotten, familly can't.....some familly members seem imossible. i don't have any good advice for them. accept maybe try getting into their head and thinking from their persepective and figuring out a way
TOOO make them understand and listen.

takes a lot of work, but sometimes it is work well worth taking on...not allways. sometimes we just need to put it aside and accept their hang-ups and do what we decide is best for ourselves.

as i said....my familly is really supportive. only one of my grandmothers is really stubborn and tough to deal with. not at all in the least about veganism though...i don't think at least...i will most likely be seeing here this summer. we shall see.

there is no shame in going back to eating meat. it takes the right circumstances to really succeed. its best if you understand when these come around (like myself) or you make these circumstances a reality by your own means....enlisting the help of supportive friends also is a good one.

support is the key.

anyway. i hope that is somewhat helpfull. there is a lot of good info and support that can be had online for people just looking to getting into vegetarianism/veganism.

if that isn't your cup of tea i guess there are these "dinner clubs" where veggie/vegans all meet together and talk and share and eat good veggie foods prepared by a host, and or the folks who are regulars. i've only been told, talked about them briefly with someone i met awhile back. never been to one...but it sounds sort of interesting...like a good way to meet similar peeps.

yes...this thread is like some 10 legged beast thrashing around for room. hehe.