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That Albert Pike guy is a legend. In the tourist shops in Scotland you can buy Pike talking heads to hang on the wall. You know, kind of like those talking carp & trout that you get in the US & Canada.

362 reviews so far on Amazon

And another interview on CBC

and the guy is still a jerk.

The Atheist's Bible by Joan Konner, is another great book to own.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW0zG7zYpjM

garyb wrote:and the guy is still a jerk.

He must be put to death no?

Bible wrote: If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 13

C'mon people,
stop avoiding the issue here, we all secretly know that the ruling class are space lizards, who are manipulating religion, media and our perception of it to keep us all enslaved to their whim.

dunno about the space lizard part, but the rest is about right.

bingo, that is an intertribal memo for a tribe that has long ceased to exist. it has no relavence to christopher hitchens or whether or not he's a jerk. as i said before, if religion is the real reason for war and he's an atheist, then what's his excuse for warmongering when he was the main voice in the press calling for the present war in Iraq?

garyb wrote:bingo, that is an intertribal memo for a tribe that has long ceased to exist. it has no relavence to christopher hitchens or whether or not he's a jerk. as i said before, if religion is the real reason for war and he's an atheist, then what's his excuse for warmongering when he was the main voice in the press calling for the present war in Iraq?

Like I said before, the current administration was foolish enough to follow his "warmongering". In other words you can't tell me that his warmongering led to the invasion of Iraq.

As far as the intertribal memo goes, you guys still believe in that shit?

BingoTheClowno wrote:

garyb wrote: In other words you can't tell me that his warmongering led to the invasion of Iraq.

bad logic in arguementation Bingo, that should be better
even if the war was canceled by the gouvernment the point is still there...

As far as the intertribal memo goes, you guys still believe in that shit?

bingo, which guys?

mr. hitchens works for the government. there is precious little "independant journalism" these days. for information on a few of the recent scandals, just google "bush administration paid journalists", or "government paid journalists". this is a common phenomenon. sheep think that newspapers and writers are nuetral and independant. aware and awake human beings know better.

even if Hitchens did NOT work directly or indirectly for the administration, that's no excuse for the kind of sleazy yellow jounalism that blames all war and strife on religion and then calls for mass killing like the kind perpetrated in Iraq. you keep on defending the undefendable. you must condone jingoism and yellow journalism. i'm beginning to think you are in favor of prevarication since you never respond to the issue itself(like Hitchen's hypocrisy), but rather to silly side issues like whether one follows the bible to the letter or not, a subject not at all related to whether a self proclaimed athiest spent considerable effort inciting a war, or at least trying to convert and subvert public opinion in favor of that war.

hubird, can you fix that quote? it makes it look like I said that ridiculous sentance....

hubird wrote:

BingoTheClowno wrote:

garyb wrote: In other words you can't tell me that his warmongering led to the invasion of Iraq.

bad logic in arguementation Bingo, that should be better
even if the war was canceled by the gouvernment the point is still there...

I don't think so. If you cancel the war variable then you cancel gary's point in its entirety.

what?
my point is that HITCHENS CLAIMS THAT RELIGION IS THE CAUSE OF STRIFE AND WAR, YET HE(AN ATHEIST) CALLED FOR WAR(quite publically, as an expert) AGAINST SADDAAM(AN ATHEIST). there seems to be a disconnect in your mind Bingo..

Thats my earlier point Gary ..Idealogues ARE disconnected . Sorry Bingo... or maybe I should say "sorry son" .... ah the joys of youth .
Speaking of which I just saw " The great global warming swindle" I watched it all until the rebuttalists started their blurting . I gave it the old remote flick when one bloke said "well if you say that co2 is only small part of the atmosphere [.5] so it cant have that much effect ,how about if I inject you with a small amount of Ebola ,will that have an effect ? "@ that point I thought " well you can lead a horse to water but if it wont drink then fuck it "
I really think it's time to say ....the U.N. was a good idea but , it's time to move on .
Bingo .........when I'm feeling totally rooted and freaked I say the Lords Prayer ,I know the popes probably a poof ,I know the sadism thats been inflicted in the name of religion , I probably know everything you know mate but I gotta tell you ..it works ... so I guess I gotta say I'm not an atheist but you wont find me in church on sunday . It's like going to live in the country ....the countryside is beautiful.......... but the friggin people

Religion is an ideology. You can not say atheism is an ideology because it is a lack of an ideology. When I want to get drunk, I do not say that my body has an alcohol deficiency, that is ridiculous. When something does not exist, it is nothing.
It's not a religion or an ideology, it is simply reality.

Atheism is superior because we believe in facts not that we deny reality. We deny your deluded claims for which you have and never had no proof at all.
Religion on the other hand believes in ghosts and hobgoblins. So then, you tell me what's more superior, the facts or superstitions?

My facts? Hardly!
My facts are being used by everyone, including you, right now, typing on a computer keyboard.
Why don't you stop using my facts, eh?

sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "i'm right, i'm right, nyah, nyah, nyah" won't make it so. this thread is about christopher hitchens and his work. mr. hitchens is shown to be a demogogue. face it.

co2 in the atmosphere is a good thing. plants breathe it which gives us oxygen. the system is well designed, symbiotic.

garyb wrote:sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "i'm right, i'm right, nyah, nyah, nyah" won't make it so. this thread is about christopher hitchens and his work. mr. hitchens is shown to be a demogogue. face it.

co2 in the atmosphere is a good thing. plants breathe it which gives us oxygen. the system is well designed, symbiotic.

What you "show" is not factual. Your delusions are.

stardust wrote:You are going in circles.

True, because I am just replying to your posts.

stardust wrote: But that all is no proof for your denial of reality.
Learn about epistemology as a fact.
Learn to be modest to accept your limits.
Learn to understand more than tthe trivial black and white you propagate.
Learn that there are non deterministic entities as facts.
Learn that you dont know nothing about who and why, even if you delude yourself to do so.

All that has been said before.

What you think is real has been prooven that's not.
I don't deny that epistomology is fact.
I know my limits. I also know yours.
What I propagate saves lives, what you propagate kills lives.
Non deterministic entities live in your head only.
That's why you're delusional.

The circle is yours. Now let gary do some bullshiting.